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hi guys, any opinions on this ss partial rohm please and current value in collectors eyes ,thanks in advance

just realised i need to resize all pics i have........to be continued

makers

inscription 1

inscription 2

ground section

complete inscription

motto

grip

with period home made hanger ?

hanger

scabbord period repaint over anodised ???

scabbord tip missing a screw

runes

insignia

side view hanger

dont know about the inscription but i love that hanger

From the pictures, it looks fine to me.

Gailen David

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Originally posted by Gailen David:
From the pictures, it looks fine to me.

Gailen David

Gailen,
Does the MM appear to have the appropriate distance to the lower crossguard?

Mike (Trying to learn!)
Thanks

Yes, On this maker.

Gailen

Wow,ain,t that hanger just the dogs b******s?
real cool.
Seiler (Yank in UK)

Those pre-34 hangers are a blast. There were tons of variations of these hangers. The SS Officals were unimpressed and in 1934 standardized them.

Gailen David

quote:

Originally posted by Seiler:
Wow,ain,t that hanger just the dogs b******s?
real cool.
Seiler (Yank in UK)

You've been living in the UK for too long...

thanks guys ,ive had this a long time and am wondering about valuation these days, from a collectors eye not dealers asking price , can anybody give us a rough guess please ,thanks in advance .

Rough guess $6000-$7500 US. Maybe more to the right buyer.

Great dagger. Crazy about the grinding - very thorough. Also, the gray background in the etching is nice to see. Typical of this maker. I don't believe I have ever seen a fake "Hammesfahr" Rohm dagger, but there's always the first time. This one looks as good as they come.

thanks guys esp the valuation, i have a daughters wedding to pay for shortly so this may be comming on the market soon. ive had this just about thirty years ,so will loose daughter and great dagger in one go ,but heck i`ll gain a son in law ....option two is keep the dagger and run !!

run run fast!

wifes sussed me out and put out a stop to my running, shes nicked my mustang keys !!!!! so this will have to be sold very soon ....need to work out shipping fees and bank stuff first ....unless anyone can send duplicate keys for a 98 gt mustang to uk.

nickn,

Do us all a favor and tell us why you say "run".

Dave

Dave, because Mustang says thats his option 2, take the dagger and run.[So he doesn't have to pay for his daughters wedding and sacrifice his dagger]
Its humour

sorry i thought it was obvious
mustang said "option 2 keep the dagger and run"
it was a joke, mustang got it!

yes i got the joke nice one,....def. gotta be option to sell dagger , last time i sold to usa ,although know theres probably interested parties in uk , i struggled with carrier , anybody know if its possible to sort from usa end if somebody out there buys.
thanks in advance, mustang

As an American living in the UK I buy and sell daggers to and from the USA no problem.
Last week from CA four days via air.Green sticker,no trouble either way.If you sell it there, let the Buyer choose the route.
Cheers
Seiler (Yank in UK)

hi ,thanks for this help seiler , wifes on about me putting on ebay but fees hurt anybody interested please P.M. me

Suggest you become a premium member for $30 so you can place it in the "For Sale" forum. If you try to sell it on Ebay it is almost certain to get pulled.

Yes, this is not the place to seek a buyer or promote the sale of the dagger. If it was I would be advertising my own stuff on this thread.

Gailen David

sorry guys i wasnt trying to sell like that ,just after advice of folks on what to do,realise now i worded this totally wrong ,ill get my $`s paid and get it listed properly in for sale ,
sorry again,
mustang

well ive just tried seven times to upgrade to premium membership and it just wont accept my login details.....the same ones i used to get here .....im confused but that doesnt take much ......will keep trying ,
mustang

whey hey ......worked that time,dont know what i did wrong all those times before...excuse is its late over here. will get an add sorted and use for sale

Hey Mustang...it's on eban! What happened?
I guess Gailen's and skyline's opinion didn't "take".
Maybe Scott or nats can bring up the listing. So we can take bets on how long it lasts up there. -wagner-

I think he wants to sell it as is, no returns, because of paying for a wedding.

Yes, DR. John I got that part. But his opening bid is $6,300! With no return and or inspection period.
Now is that me, or is the buyer saying "hey, it's good OK?! Trust ME!" Sounds like a real tall order here... But he accepts paypal.
It looks like a good dagger. I like the hanger. Hope he sells it. But the odds are it will be pulled before he gets a bid.
I still can't understand why he can't sell it here? Or let someone like JR. to broker it?

-wagner-

Here it is.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ultra-rare-black-german-dagger-part...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Good Luck!

Regards

Russell

hi guys, i was going to list in on here in the for sale section,i upgraded my account by paying the dollars ,infact i accidentally paid twice. its just the rule for five day inspection period that i cant meet. i cant sell the dagger,ship it half way around the world for somebody to realise they needed their cash for a holiday or something and want to send it back. so im weeks of time wasted and the risk of shipping two or three times.
the pics give enough for anybody who has that sort of cash to have to know what theyre looking at , and form an opinion off them. in my 30 years of collecting i have never asked for a five day or any day inspection period.....i look at a dagger...i think about it for maybe days after having taken all details, i then buy it if im happy,but dont if not...never have asked for an inspection period after buying one. infact i think most of people i used to deal with here in uk when i bought this would have laughed at me. im a private individual not a dealer and cant afford to be mucked about, i trully wouldnt be selling this if my daughter wasnt getting married, deposits are already being paid on venue,service,catering,photographer etc, so i need to sell.
i do take paypal for the convenience of both myself and buyer,itll cost me but ive had payments made in past for smaller stuff where moneygrams etc have been sent that i couldnt cash ,wire transfer bank fees that have cost me as much as paypal does.i do also take the wire transfer so long as fees are paid at buyer end.
i think we all know how rare this is ,and whover buys will in acouple of years have a $10000 dagger that wont be replaceable.
my start price is really what id call my reserve,ebay wanted another $45 to put a reserve on it at that, so i thought hell,if you cant start at that then the reserve is not gonna be met anyhow ....and this dagger is not for `tyre kickers` ,you gotta be a serious collector and have the cash.

so, there you go ....honest and upfront in all of it,

do you like the pics then,
mustang

Fellows, all I said was it looked good from the pictures. I'm happy that no one bought the dagger based on what I said. I mean, I didn't even examine the piece.

Also, I would not buy an expensive dagger without a return policy. The return policy shouldn't be that big of a deal, wedding or no wedding.

Gailen David

No inspection necessary... Gailen gives 100% approval!
-wagner-

That's why I try and keep my mouth shut. It always turns out, "Well, Gailen said it's good." If I make an opinion that's all it is unless it's in writing.

Gailen

Seriously, If Gailen can't tell without a "hand on", how can someone else?
When Mustang bought the dagger 30 years ago he had a chance to look it over. Besides we can fairly assume it was not anywhere near $7,000
-wagner-

guys i didnt want to start anything here ,, you gave me advice and i thanked you for it ,as i say i was going to list here ,.....sometimes people have different rules and im affraid that inspection period is not an option after buying . its on ebay ,a place where a lot of the major dealers buy from ,then add their percentage,then sell on to all , and forum guys. i know they can offer inspection periods but hell theyre a business,and have $100K worth of stock ....obviously & have $60000 dollars in their bank ,whereas i havent, ive got a daughter and wife building up bills etc.

ive thanked all that have given help on this ,but i am being totally honest if you cant buy off the extra pics im offering in detail (and have any members requested ?),and will do any angle,any request you want except strip it down,because it hasnt been in all those years and im not gonna do it. you want to come and inspect before bidding then you are welcome....i know theres a lot of uk guys on this forum , maybe you can come and inspect on behalf of other members....ill travel to meet you within reason ,hows that ???....you guys get together...come up with questions,request pics,ask a uk member to come and inspect and ill help anyway i can.
if its not for you ...then its not for you,

i again repeat thanks to those that have helped me on this

and it was a big deal me buying this 30 years ago nearly ....when i was on £11 a week and i had to borrow off family and payback weekly ....it wasnt cheap then...if a serious collector is looking for one to buy then look ,ask,if an inspection period is not that big a deal....then neither is an air ticket to manchester airport compared to the price of the dagger, ill meet you at the airport....come and have an inspection.

we all know this is a rare beast ,mustang

It's OK for me to take a chance based on my knowledge. It's my risk and not anyone elses. I don't like stories about the background on daggers or any other Third Reich collectable. When I'm buying them. Unless I reaaly know the seller, I'm hardly listening. A piece should stand on its own merit. Opinions are like you know what, everyone has one.

Gailen

One more thing. I didn not say anything when it was apprasied by someone at $6000 or was it $6500. I think this price is high for a SS Parital Rohm. That may be the reason no one is jumping on it quickly. Especially with a repainted scabbard.

Gailen

Well this is getting more interesting. Now nobody can even get a photo of the tang on a 7K no return dagger..
-wagner-

ok ok , we all have our opinions on my dagger, can i ask you wagner...would you undo that nut ,and risk tapping off that top crossguard,wood grip and bottom crossguard....risking chipping the grip ,what if i could show the tang.....what you looking for if the rest of it is that good ....`made in germany ` perhaps.
have you never bought a dagger that doesnt strip, they were made that way to be assembled 60 years ago....not stripped down 60 years later,
so you buy a dagger off one of the big dealers,they offer inspection period....but do state that if the dagger has been stripped down in that period then any warranty is nul and void because of the risk doing it and causing damage.....if it dont strip readily....dont try. look at the pics...look at the fit.....you think im going to split that ?.

Mustang: Don't take the dagger apart! A guy who knows his stuff will know in a few mintues if it's good. There is chance you may damage the grip. Just my opinion.

Gailen David

thankyou Gailen

No I wouldn't strip it either, if it was never touched.. It's just takes a "Leap of Faith" from photos supplied to a potential buyer on a 7K dagger, with no return, and no photos of the blade tang.
Now experts like Gailen, JR, and a couple of other guys don't need to break it down to see tang formation, billet clamp marks, markings etc. But, I know these guys and, I think I can safely say, that I don't think they will be scampering to buy this dagger. I may be wrong, that's just what I think.
Now that leaves us with the rest of us "potentials" who might have to ability to buy this dagger since they don't have a partial, name only, Hammesfahr ground Rohm, in their collection. However if I was going to pay the "Big Ticket" on a Rohm anything, I would not consider it without Gailen's inspection and approval..But that's me. And I believe that most of the collectors besides the above few, would want JR, TW, or TW to check it out. I mean lets face it..7K is a lot of money!
I am not knocking your dagger. I'm just questioning your maketing and terms of sale. That's all.
Look I buy on eban too. So do most of the guys here. There always there, with me, in the "private auctions" being held by disgruntled
sellers of pulled listings. On the good stuff.
The're probably waiting for it to be pulled so they can be making offers of $2500 on it "just to help you out". This is the real world. The way your going about it is "fantasy".
Now, if Gailen or JR were brokering your dagger,
you would have a chance of selling it. And we would be looking at it in a different light.
Regards,
-wagner-

What I want to know is how JR Made the list? Ha! Ha!

Gailen David

That's the problem of giving an analysis over the internet as well as price for any item. I don't belive that the dagger will sell any where close to that $7500 number that it's listed for, as Lakeside sold a nice Boker Partial recently with a repainted scabbard that was comparable for 4K. A few other major dealers have listed partial SS Rohms for 5-6K in the last 24 months as well. On this Hammesfahr, which by the way was a company that you see a variety of differerent style crossguards, grip shapes, grip runes and eagles etc, it's hard to nail this down just from the photos that we see. The scabbard has definitely been re-painted. The motto etch is different from the mint Hamesfahr that I have in front of me. But none of that holds any water as the dagger need to be evaluated on it's own.

Hey..What can I say? You guys are my favorite SS men!
-wagner-

And now from JR we find out that Lakeside sold a nice partial Boker for 4K! And he has a inspection clause and return policy!
JR, did that one have a serial number?
-wagner-

I'm sorry JR, I just looked under Rohms name in the dictionary and there was a picture of you! Ha! Ha! LOL!

Gailen(the kid)David

Gailen, I'm on the short list when it comes to Rohm daggers, compared to you big dogs. But when I get one in.......... it's at the top of the food chain with all of the letters!

r2

Well, it is spelled correctly.

Gailen

A Presentation Variant ???

I knew it all along.

Too much!

JR,

Do you give them out to friends who have done "Special Deeds", at social gatherings etc..???

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
-wagner-

Careful JR - remember what happened to the first guy who put his name there!

Mike

Well....There's good news and bad news.
Bad news is: Mustang's dagger did not get a single bid on e-bay. Not surprising.
The good news is: it made it all the way through a ebay auction without being pulled! A rarity for SS dagger for sure.
What's next?
-wagner-

I'm not surprised either. It sure looks like a desirable dagger - I belive the discussion on this website confirms that. But to offer someting for sale with no warranty / return policy and no inspection period is setting onself up for a No Bid result on ebay.
His starting price was too high too.
He should have just listed it here.

Mike

i bought the partial rohm from mustang here are some photos of the tang and
the front of the blade ,which has most of its cross graining but is hard to photograph
all in all a very nice original dagger

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