#61818
03/17/2006 02:12 PM
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Hello all
What do you think of this schirmmutze , looks like an original SS Pz schirmmutze to me and not a Polizei I think ?
thanks a lot
Hardigan
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#61819
03/17/2006 02:13 PM
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#61820
03/17/2006 03:02 PM
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I wish Donald Abenheim and Klaushund were still here.They would really be able to help you.But based on what I see and my experience I do would not want this one the sweatband does not look like anything Ive encountered.My opinion however on these is unfortunately not something to place bets on. 
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#61821
03/17/2006 03:28 PM
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I don't like the whole shape & inliner from this Neuwieder Schirmuetze. I just wonder why I cannot find this maker mark in the Wilkins book but it is a legit visor maker company.
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#61822
03/17/2006 03:31 PM
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Hello John
What I'm worried of is the piping , if it is panzer pink or carmine red of Polizei. I asked for more pictures of the piping so we will see.
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#61823
03/17/2006 03:55 PM
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It does appear to be a darker color than Panzer pink.The cap wool is also a greener color than feldgrau.
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#61824
03/17/2006 04:11 PM
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another pic of the piping , looks better now
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#61825
03/17/2006 04:19 PM
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The cap has been completely reassembled. Look at the lining at the front of the cap. In addition to a couple of uncomfortable features the last picture reveals the line from a previous sweatband. This tell-tale feature is often found in caps that have been rebuilt to include an original lining. There is a whole generation of fake caps that utilised genuine interiors from run of the mill hats.
Derek
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#61826
03/17/2006 04:25 PM
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here you can see the pink piping and discoloring with earlier feldgrau color
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#61827
03/17/2006 05:05 PM
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exactly the same panzer color
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#61828
03/17/2006 05:35 PM
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This cap is a fake. Probably a Janke. I don't like the bill/visor (looks plastic), the liner shows evidence of a previous sweatband at a totally different location, the color is police grey/green not ss feldgrau, the center band shows where the velvet has been stitched to the cap. Parts of it may have once been a nice fire schutz polizei cap, but today it is mearly another Frankenstein!
Doug
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#61829
03/17/2006 05:41 PM
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Here is a visor cap I own. It's a rather strange bird - private purchase late war -, but authentic in my opinion. It was also examined by John Casino some years ago and he gave his approval.
Fred
"Panzer vorwärts!"
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#61830
03/17/2006 06:26 PM
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The cap that started this thread is for sale as a fake made from real parts on the WAF estand bazzare.220 Euros.It is posted with a thread link for further reading.
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#61831
03/17/2006 07:12 PM
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Not only on the WAF Estand like John says... I believe I saw it on Ebay too though... It wasn't discribed as a fake, nor as a good one  Kind regards, Gerd
Always looking for Flemish related SS insignia and Flemish collaboration items!
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#61832
03/17/2006 07:42 PM
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Sorry, It's not on ebay. It's on a Dutch auction site... http://www.marktplaats.nl/index.php?url=http%3A//koopje...itaria/26405593.htmlAccording to the seller it had polizei insignia but when he has removed them, there were traces of SS insignia visible... According to him it could have been an early "SS Schutzpolizei visor cap"Kind regards, Gerd
Always looking for Flemish related SS insignia and Flemish collaboration items!
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#61833
03/18/2006 12:28 AM
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Fred
"Panzer vorwärts!"
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#61834
03/18/2006 08:01 AM
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No Fred, It appears to be someone else... Phoef isn't involved... Kind regards, Gerd quote: Originally posted by Fred Fokkelman:
Phoef again Gerd?
Always looking for Flemish related SS insignia and Flemish collaboration items!
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#61835
03/18/2006 03:17 PM
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Thanks for the opinions , What it is , I don't know , but it's definitly not Pz SS because I've seen it now for real and it was quite different than on the pictures .The liner was never replaced , it looks like it was on the pictures but you can't see the original zig-zag stitching on the pictures , but it is there with the other darker thread
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