#61524
08/11/2008 06:36 PM
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Around 20 years ago , I bought these Police award document and awards to a Lorenz Geyer in the 8./SS-Polizei Schuetzen Regiment 2. Interesting for me was the fact , that the Cousin of my Mother had served in the 12./SS-Polizei Schuetzen Regiment 1 at the same time . As I understand it , these units served at the Russian front around Leningrad and suffered high losses .
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#61525
08/11/2008 06:37 PM
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#61526
08/11/2008 06:38 PM
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#61527
08/11/2008 06:41 PM
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Close up of the Iron Cross 2nd Class that came with the award . Sorry , no hmk on the ring .
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#61528
08/11/2008 06:43 PM
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Here now the 2nd award set to Lorenz Geyer.
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#61529
08/11/2008 06:44 PM
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..and close up of the upper section .
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#61530
08/11/2008 06:46 PM
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..and close up of the lower section . Document is signed by Oberst Freitag .
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#61531
08/11/2008 06:48 PM
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..and close up of the ink cancel .SS has been inked into the cancel by hand .
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#61532
08/11/2008 06:53 PM
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Here now the awarded 'Silber Infanterie- Sturmabzeichen' that came with the document. It is a silvered and frosted type ;-- not much left of the frosted finish .
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#61533
08/11/2008 06:55 PM
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..and the backside , a semi-hollowed back .Sorry, no hmk again .
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#61534
08/11/2008 06:59 PM
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When I looked at the back a little closer , I found that Lorenz had inscribed it with a sharp needle .
This side reads :" SS Pol. DIV. 8 Komp."
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#61535
08/11/2008 07:01 PM
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..and the other side reads :
" Gegen Leningr.Ostfront "
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#61536
08/11/2008 07:05 PM
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One more piece of paper came with this group ; a SS-leave pass . Someone told me this was for training school near Prague, Czechoslovakia .
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#61537
08/11/2008 07:12 PM
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Now some award documents and awards to my Dad : Oberltn.Heinz Ostermann who served with the Volunteer Police Bataillon 8 Croatia .
First his War Service Cross with Swords 2nd Class award.
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#61538
08/11/2008 07:14 PM
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...and close-up of the upper section of his document .
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#61539
08/11/2008 07:16 PM
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..and the lower section . The document was signed by Police General Kammenhofer .
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#61540
08/11/2008 07:19 PM
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.and the awarded cross on his dress medal bar .
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#61541
08/11/2008 07:26 PM
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The 2nd award document to my Dad was for the Croatian Bravery medal in 'Bronze'.
I have xerox copies of photos of the award ceremony at the castle in Nice, Croatia.They show some Croatian Generals and what I pressume was Police General Kammenhofer.
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#61542
08/11/2008 07:31 PM
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..and again the upper section of the document . By-the-way , Joe Wotka has a similar document to an EM -Policeman from the same unit my Dad was an officer of.
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#61543
08/11/2008 07:32 PM
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Sorry , here the document .
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#61544
08/11/2008 07:34 PM
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..and the lower section again . Again signed by Police General Kammenhofer .
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#61545
08/11/2008 07:36 PM
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..and again the award on Dad's dress medal bar .
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#61546
08/11/2008 07:47 PM
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Now his award for the Iron Cross 2nd class , which I had to 'recreate' , since the origonal , given to him by General Pannwitz in person , was destroyed by him there in Croatia at surrender time to Tito's partisans along with his Dienstpass with the SS-runes on the front .Anything like that document ( the 2 other ones and the medals he had sent home ) and anything showing the SS-runes were not a good thing to keep at that time !.
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#61547
08/11/2008 07:51 PM
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Here his dress medal bar again .
Now I like to invite others to show their POLICE award documents and fitting medals !
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#61548
08/11/2008 09:38 PM
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Bernd, great documents and medals. Thanks for showing them. Do you have any photos of your dad in uniform that you can show? I ****s he couldn't keep the Dienstpass or other documents but, under the circumstances completely understandable.
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#61549
08/12/2008 01:17 PM
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Bernd, A Wonderful & Historically Significant Display. It's great that your family was able to preserve a number of his awards, decoration and the uniform! Living history.... Dave/dblmed
[Always looking for TeNo � Schuma � Technische Noodhulp Items...]
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#61550
08/12/2008 09:16 PM
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Raymond : I had posted about my Dad with photos on this forum under : " Oblt. Heinz Ostermann " , --but can't find it anywhere !!
Dave : Thanks for your kind remarks .
Here now a award document for the gilt Police long service medal .
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#61551
08/12/2008 09:17 PM
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..close-up upper section.
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08/12/2008 09:18 PM
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#61553
08/12/2008 09:19 PM
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Close-up of the embossed eagle .
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#61554
08/12/2008 09:21 PM
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..and close-up of a certain person's signature .
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#61555
08/12/2008 09:23 PM
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08/12/2008 09:28 PM
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Award Document for the German Annexation of Czechoslovakia . dated 1.OKTOBER 1939.
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#61557
08/12/2008 09:29 PM
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..and upper part of the document.
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#61558
08/12/2008 09:31 PM
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..and the lower section again .
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#61559
08/12/2008 09:32 PM
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#61560
08/12/2008 09:36 PM
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And a nice embossed seal .
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#61561
08/12/2008 09:49 PM
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.and signature of " Theissner"
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#61562
08/12/2008 09:51 PM
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..and here the awarded medal again .
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#61563
08/12/2008 09:58 PM
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Award document for the "Deutsche Volkspflege Medaille " ; medal for Social Welfare service. don't know how a policeman would have qualified for this .
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#61564
08/12/2008 09:59 PM
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#61565
08/12/2008 10:01 PM
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Sorry , here the correct one .
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08/12/2008 10:02 PM
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08/12/2008 10:03 PM
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..and close-up of the nice embossed eagle again .
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08/12/2008 10:05 PM
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The awarded type of medal again .
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08/12/2008 10:08 PM
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Award document for the War Service Cross 2nd --no swords this time !
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08/12/2008 10:10 PM
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Upper section close-up again .
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08/12/2008 10:11 PM
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..and lower section close-up again .
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08/12/2008 10:13 PM
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This embossed eagle was super nice on this document .
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#61573
08/14/2008 12:24 PM
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Bernd, thanks for taking the time to post all those pictures of the various polizei document/award groupings! Very interesting material to review.
One thing I always check out is the myriad of circle stamps used and that Polizei-Regiment 2 is rather interesting where it appears the SS was added by hand after changing designation.
Very interesting material, thanks for sharing!
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#61574
08/15/2008 10:58 AM
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Excellent documents and medals: thanks so much for sharing them with us!
BTW we have included a 51-page chapter on medals, decorations and badges worn by the Police in Volume 2 of "Uniforms Organization and History of the German Police" and I hope this will at least in part satisfy the just demands of this Forum!
Roger Bender is burning the midnight oil to get Volume 2 ready, and it is expected to exceed 800 pages.
hpt
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#61575
08/15/2008 12:48 PM
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quote: Originally posted by hpt:
BTW we have included a 51-page chapter on medals, decorations and badges worn by the Police in Volume 2 of "Uniforms Organization and History of the German Police" and I hope this will at least in part satisfy the just demands of this Forum!
Roger Bender is burning the midnight oil to get Volume 2 ready, and it is expected to exceed 800 pages.
hpt
That is excellent news!!!
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#61576
09/08/2008 06:04 AM
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The Infantry Assult document is signed by later Knight's Cross holder Fritz Freitag. He also served as the second Ia of Polizei Division (after Walter Kr�ger).
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#61577
09/08/2008 04:03 PM
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Mark : Thanks for the info . Bernd.
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