#60863
03/15/2008 10:23 PM
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What is the earliest dated HJ you have, or have seen with seen with a zinc or non-magnetic hilt? Any pics and/or info you may have on the use of zinc in manufacture is appreciated.
Regards Russell
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#60864
03/15/2008 11:34 PM
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I�v wondered about that a time or two myself. It will be interesting to see what kind of parameters are established. FP
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#60865
03/16/2008 09:08 AM
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Indeed, a very interesting question, Russell!
I guess it must have been 1940 that zinc started to be used, but it could be earlier...
Here is a 1940 dated Knecht HJ with zinc hilt.
I will have to check my 1939 dated knifes and see if there is a non magnetic one among them.
Best greetings,
Herman
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03/16/2008 09:09 AM
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03/16/2008 09:09 AM
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#60868
03/16/2008 07:19 PM
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Thanks Herman, nice example you show here, and a good one to get the ball rolling.
I was also thinking about the zinc made awards and badges. I had a 1936 Reichsparteitag 'tinnie', very heavy with no finish on it that I think was made of zinc - if not, it was some other non-magnetic material.
Could there be any 39's or perhaps even earlier zinc HJ's out there somewhere?
Regards Russell
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#60869
03/17/2008 04:09 PM
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This is a very interesting line of research. Manufacturers in the private sector did not have the resources of the German government, and the government itself went to zinc coins in 1940. And while coal supplies were reasonably adequate, the same was not true for iron until after the fall of France.
While it was not my HJ knife. I remember seeing not too long ago a personalized Puma made knife with the motto and what looked like a zinc handle. My sense of it being that as old stock parts by the various makers were used up - the transition date from iron to zinc can be pushed back to about the same time as the daggers?? FP
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#60870
03/17/2008 05:38 PM
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Thanks for your comments Fred. In my research so far, I've seen pics of two 1939 dated HJ's with zinc hilts, both Eickhorn, and mention of one 1939 Spitzer without pics. I haven't been able to obtain permission from the owners of the pics to show them here yet but am hopeful this will be forthcoming.
Regards Russell
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#60871
03/19/2008 03:42 AM
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With many thanks to one of the forum members, here are a few pics of the M7/80 (C. Gustav Spitzer) dated 39 with a non-magnetic hilt. There doesn't appear to be much or any plating loss exposing the hilt construction material.
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03/19/2008 03:44 AM
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03/19/2008 03:46 AM
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Last one, overall hilt.
The plating finish is dull and it weighs about 201 grams, similar in weight to his mottoed example.
Regards Russell
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#60874
03/19/2008 05:57 PM
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Absolutely correct, Russell.
Here is one by this maker, some non magnetic metal comes through near the pommel.
Best greetings,
Herman
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03/19/2008 05:57 PM
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03/19/2008 05:58 PM
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#60877
03/19/2008 06:06 PM
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And here is an Eickhorn '39, also non-magnetic, as Russell indicated.
Best greetings,
Herman
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#60878
03/19/2008 06:07 PM
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#60879
03/19/2008 07:08 PM
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Great examples Herman, thanks for checking.
Ok, how about everyone checking their 1938 knives - can we get even earlier?
Regards Russell
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#60880
03/20/2008 11:29 AM
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just had a zinc rzm m7/72 date 1939 in the post this morning i will check my others for you asap
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#60881
03/22/2008 02:38 PM
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Here is another 1940 dated Knecht HJ this time with aluminium hilt: it appears that this company tried out several replacement materials for the steel hilts in 1940... strange because other producers were already using zinc since 1939 as we have seen.
Best greetings,
Herman
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03/22/2008 02:38 PM
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#60883
03/30/2008 08:11 PM
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Here is another 1939 knife with zinc hilt: late SMF.
Best greetings,
Herman
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03/30/2008 08:11 PM
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#60885
03/30/2008 11:55 PM
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A couple more beauties there Herman, thanks for showing them! Have you had a chance to check your 38's?
Regards Russell
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#60886
03/31/2008 08:02 PM
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Here is what you wanted, Russell: a 1938 knife with non magnetic hilt by... Robert Klaas! I wonder why so many people write the name of this maker wrong in this way "Klass"...
Best greetings,
Herman
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03/31/2008 08:03 PM
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03/31/2008 08:03 PM
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#60889
03/31/2008 09:14 PM
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Herman, that's a great looking Klaas! Before the research I would have thought 1940 probably the earliest for zinc hilts, as you did. It is interesting that there are 1938 examples. I wonder if there are even earlier dated examples out there - more research will tell. Thanks for checking your collection!
Regards Russell
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#60890
06/07/2008 07:12 PM
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Here is another non magnetic HJ... this time with motto...
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#60891
06/07/2008 07:14 PM
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Ernst Pack 1938 !
Best greetings,
Herman
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#60892
06/08/2008 05:55 AM
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Wow, that's a great example Herman, 1938 zinc with motto! Nice maker mark too. Could there be any zinc 37's out there? Check your HJ's...
Regards Russell
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#60893
07/23/2008 01:34 AM
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Hi everyone Have got a nice M7/2 1938 I got off our friend Herman. Will post pic soon. Cheers Ross www.rossheywood.co.nz
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#60894
07/23/2008 01:56 AM
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Hi everyone Heres a nice zinc M7/2 1938 I got off Herman. Cheers Ross www.rossheywood.co.nz
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#60895
07/23/2008 01:59 AM
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07/23/2008 02:02 AM
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07/23/2008 08:45 AM
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Hello Ross, Yes, still very nice... maybe I should have kept that one... What happened to the scabbard? Best greetings, Herman
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#60898
07/23/2008 06:54 PM
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Hi Herman Yes have got two nice HJs off you now. Your not greedy with your prices so thankyou. Have got scabbard just did not photograph it. All the best Ross www.rossheywood.co.nz
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#60899
07/23/2008 08:47 PM
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Very nice knife Ross!
If anyone has a dated HJ knife with a zinc hilt, please show it here. The earliest date we have seen so far is 1938, so please check your HJ's - do we have a 1937 somewhere?
Regards Russell
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#60900
07/24/2008 02:23 AM
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Thanks Russell, Herman is the man to get them off.
Ross
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07/25/2008 01:55 PM
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Thanks Ross Best greetings, Herman
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#60902
09/01/2008 08:58 PM
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Just bringing this one back again, if you've got dated HJ's with zinc hilts. Earliest seen so far is 1938, so check your HJ knives!
Regards Russell
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