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#60756 01/03/2006 09:36 PM
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Thanks to Bob Rodgers. He has sent me an e-mail and my case, concerning the mentioned investigations and http://www.BobRodgersMilitaria.com, seems to be solved.


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#60757 01/03/2006 10:20 PM
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Attwood Published the Pic of the dagger in his book because at the time he either owned the Pic from a Factory file or most likely reprinted through permission of one of the solingen Trade Publications,Technically for a Photo to be reused one needs permission either from the Author or in this case the Publisher,it not a Free domain situation.

Now for Bob to post the pics on his site using His watermark then looks like he is in trouble if he does not have permission from the owners which I do not see him having.

I cant believe you guys would not want to Give the owners some slack for Privacy here and give them a Chance to have it checked out...Now I see one of the reasons Denny left as Moderator.

According to the owners it may NOT Be for sale...or are we to assume that since anyone can post pics here of items that EVERYTHING Is for sale?

#60758 01/03/2006 10:23 PM
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Tom,
The original poster sent the pic's to me after i requested them for that site.

Not my sale site either.


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#60759 01/03/2006 10:40 PM
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OK...I see thats not the sale site and if you have permission then your good,By the way Nice to have you back on the Board.

TOM

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It is interesting that Worldaggers.com now has their name emblazoned across every one of the original photos that were posted here to start with! The only thing missing is the "copyright" symbol. Kinda makes me wonder, I can see it now "XX's New Book! Now Available with EXCLUSIVE photographs of the ULTRA RARE Amman Dagger" HMMMM!


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Since you didn't bother to read above,

I stated i did that because others had already downloaded the pics 57 time over night.

The owner of the daggers did not have an issue with that at all.

What he can't get over is the attitude of some of the posters on this forum.

Now if that is in viloation of the CoC, Dave can contact me and i will forward the email to him .


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#60762 01/05/2006 02:15 AM
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Well I for one could give a crap less what the owner of this dagger thinks of anyone here. He freely posted these photos milked everyone on this forum for information and then decided to take a hike with his pictures. As far as I'm concerned he can take his unsheathed dagger and sit on it! This whole situation has been mishandled from the gitgo and Ron Weinand at least had the cohones to call it the way it is!
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So the owner of an item has not right to correct a mistake?...Coming here for Info was not the Mistake but posting the Pic was...so they corrected that untill further examination.

And if you took Pics of an item YOU own you retain Rights with or without copywright,Permission must be granted...If thats the case then because I won Rons helmet book I am sure he would not want me posting pics of certain pages even though its on a Public form and Just for Us guys to look at.

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I'm sure the owner got several hundreds of e-mails from the vultures of this forum



I believe the owner did what was good for him and his dad!

And if many of you didn't get a shot at it or commission for flipping the info to your local
big wig ooops! Eek

Maybe he will just go to the local motel buyer! Big Grin

Bet he doesn't!

Some crappy pics doesn't get everyones neck
hair up for no reason!

Chill out and give the guy some air!

Attitude is whats killing the forums and
hobby!


Just my 2cents!

PVON

#60765 01/05/2006 03:00 AM
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Tom:
What "Mistake" did he make? I'd also suggest you go review the copyright laws in regards to pictures as I did before making a judgement about them.
I see the two principal human emotions here which tend to crop up in regards to any potential valuable item Fear and greed. There's fear that too much information has been given out and now that he knows the item is potentially valuable the greed factor kicks in.
I guess it's a measure of the society we live in today and the reason P.I lawyers are so successful.
If you or anyone else thinks this is more important than investigating this item from a historical perspective which I think is far more important than it's monetary value so be it.
Jim

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Wow wee. The guy really missed out. I would have paid 80 bucks and a gift certificate for the Pizza Hut. Wink

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Fear and Greed....

Sure those are 2 Very common feeling in the Human Emotion range...But in this case we need to just have the straight scoop not some half assed opinions of those less Knowledgeable.The Mistake word was maybe misused as its never a mistake to ask a question or for help.Concern over the items true Value is whats at stake here...again the owner pretty much said they are not going to run and hide...when they get the straight scoop we can all be Happy for them and Be Happy that the site was able to help generate a rare bird...other than the Numerous ones that I am sure we have never seen.

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I would say without a doubt that Greed leading to the Fear of not having a hand in it could have played a major factor in skoalmt's decision to pull everything. Would one be so bold as to ask him if he was coerced into that decision? And if he was, who was the likely party? Confused


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#60769 01/05/2006 10:29 PM
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Bob, I did "bother to read above" before posting my thoughts. And I would like to make it clear that this is not any kind of a personal attack. It is just my thought, and I would really appreciate you clarifying this to me. There is absolutely NO connection between how many times some photos were downloaded from your site and putting your name on the photos. I don't get it, I looked at your site and you complain of not having enough support from the collecting community to keep it open. I assume you mean financial support. I also assume that you are trying to draw some connection between the picture marking and the downloading due to it costing something for you to have that much bandwidth used for the downloads. If I am making sense so far, it occurs to me that maybe the photos would have been better left here where the forum is not under such a financial burden that the photos could be hosted without harm from members downloading. That way you would not have been subjected to the grief you getting due to your defacing them. I anxiously await an answer which logically makes sense, Please. If you have had the good fortune to purchase the dagger and/or the photos from the person who originally posted them, I have no problems with that, although some here may. If that is the case, the photos, and the dagger, are, and should be, yours to control as you see fit! If that is not the case then it doesn't make any sense to me that you would shoulder the burden of hosting the photos, make everyone angry here by having them removed from here, and then complain that they are getting downloaded from your site. I await respectfully for your reply.


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#60770 01/06/2006 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by jim m:

I see the two principal human emotions here which tend to crop up in regards to any potential valuable item Fear and greed.


Oh yeah. There were ample amounts of both fear and greed present, but not from the owner but from the vultures. Fear that an "historical" (read valuable) item would go to someone else, and greed that it maight have gone cheaply.

Put it this way. I seriously doubt that if a big name dealer had advertised the piece at a fair market price that he would have been inundated with emails like the present owner.

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I agree with that, if a Top tier dealer listed it for what its worth no one would have emailed him unless they where very well off. But I very sure many emailed him at the beginning trying for a cheap price "but" everyone knows about it now and the big concern is why can we keep the pictures here after all "We" Identified it can "We" enjoy to look at it. Hell something about this just don't smell right. First thing its a dagger not the crown jewel and the only people that give a damn it still exist is Us the collectors, why can we atleast enjoy the pictures of something we love, and the rest of the world could give two sh-ts about Confused Confused Yea its worth alot of money, Roll Eyes so is alot of other stuff. Showing pictures whats the "SIN". I yern to learn Wink I am sure this will be on Unsolved Mysterys. Roll Eyes

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Im still a bit confused here as well guys, but lets not start attacking each other over this. Obivioulsy there are some strong opinions here, and that's fine. Just try to not let it get personal.

Oh, and 3-finger-louie, I got rid of the post you said you misdirected for you.

Tyrel

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Thanks Tyrel! Greatly appreciated! L


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Louie..what's dem bikes? Indians?

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Yessir! The one on the right is a 1936 Indian Chief, the one on the left is a 1946 Indian Chief, and the one in the middle is a 1953 Indian Rider. "You can't wear out an Indian Scout, or it's big brother, The Chief. Built like Rocks, to take hard Knocks. It's them Harleys that cause all the Grief!" ;^)


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