#5932
03/02/2009 11:38 PM
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After a search here, I came to the conclusion this # is bogus? This seller offers twice the price back if not genuine. twice of course then to prove to him that didn't exist..?
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#5933
03/02/2009 11:39 PM
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m1/129? He has several different pins with this exact mark. They appear to be selling well. They look tempting/convincing to me? two hours left in the bay.
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#5934
03/03/2009 12:58 AM
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M1 / 129 = king of the fakes.
JRS
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#5936
03/03/2009 01:05 AM
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The baseplate holding the pin on was a style not used during the 3rd reich, it's post war.
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#5937
03/03/2009 01:11 AM
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All types of pins with the M1/129 maker mark are being produced as I type this post, for under 10 bucks in some cases.
JRS
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#5938
03/03/2009 01:15 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Raymond: The baseplate holding the pin on was a style not used during the 3rd reich, it's post war.
..NTS, WHEN A SECOND LOOK CALLS, ANSWER! Thanks Ray!
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#5939
03/03/2009 04:54 PM
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Did M1/129 (Seiler & Co, Geldem) produce any real items?
Always looking for Heeres Beamte (HV) and Sonderfuhrer items. Insignias, paperwork, photo's......
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#5940
03/03/2009 09:23 PM
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quote: Did M1/129 (Seiler & Co, Geldem) produce any real items?
Laurence as far as I know, no, we've never seen an original M1/129, the maker did have a license with the RZM to produce but never did, anyone feel free to correct me. (PINS - I'm talking about) thanks
JRS
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#5941
03/04/2009 03:26 AM
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quote: Originally posted by J.R.Scott: quote: Did M1/129 (Seiler & Co, Geldem) produce any real items?
Laurence as far as I know, no, we've never seen an original M1/129, the maker did have a license with the RZM to produce but never did, anyone feel free to correct me. (PINS - I'm talking about) thanks
Thanks Jamie. The reason I asked was that the book I have on party badges - NSDAP Enamel by Micheal F Tucker - had their RZM number listed.
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#5942
03/04/2009 04:06 AM
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quote: Originally posted by J.R.Scott: quote: Did M1/129 (Seiler & Co, Geldem) produce any real items?
Laurence as far as I know, no, we've never seen an original M1/129, the maker did have a license with the RZM to produce but never did, anyone feel free to correct me. (PINS - I'm talking about) thanks
Quite right - we have a contest each year to see if anyone can produce a real M1/129 enamel pin, and no winners so far. It was issued (around 1938) as an RZM license, but doesn't appear to have been ever used. Maybe they went out of business, merged or decided to produce something else after getting the M1 license, but nothing has turned up with this maker (except for fakes).
Cheers,
Stephen Gold Party Pin Website: http://pages.interlog.com/~sjl/GPB
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#5943
03/04/2009 03:57 PM
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I was told this type of badge was never produced wartime! Any truth to that? I have one that has no markings on the back. SSman
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#5944
03/04/2009 05:36 PM
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Hi Stephen
Does your RZM book have the listing's for the "A" codes?
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#5945
03/04/2009 09:26 PM
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I think Stephen once stated that since the RZM license M1/129 was issued and no pins produced, it left the field wide open for the fakers to have a hay day producing fake pins with nothing to compare them to. A good theory I think.
JRS
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#5946
03/04/2009 10:25 PM
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Hi Lawrence,
My book only deals with the "M" codes and general history of the RZM itself.
To answer the bigger questions, this is a pure fantasy badge - never existed. Plus, the "coffin-shaped" pinplate is only found on modern fakes.
Cheers,
Stephen Gold Party Pin Website: http://pages.interlog.com/~sjl/GPB
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#5947
03/04/2009 11:02 PM
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The bottom line is when looking at any SS badge or it should NEVER have an RZM marking.
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#5948
03/05/2009 12:23 AM
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JRS
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#5949
03/05/2009 01:33 AM
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A welcome relief for straight answers and points! Many thanks. Pauli
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