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Hey guys,
I finally was able to obtain this bayonet after a few years.
the blade is 15"
overall, 19, 3/4"
there is no maker mark on blade, but underneath the grips, it appears to be ground a bit, and there is what looks like three #1s stamped into hilt. I am using my daughters camera, so I am in newbie mode making sure the pics are not too large. after I see how this pic posts, I will take pics of the stamps under wood grips.
one thing that jumps out at me is the fact that the blade edge is very thick, it is not sharpened? would this make it some sort of parade bayo?
anyways, lets try this, if this pic is too large, please resize, please, and thank you!
I have not decided if I am going to keep it, or sell it, so any info would be great. (lol, I sound like the folks that come to website to get a quote, never to be seen again!)

hi paul,,,you have a type 30 bayonet,with the contoured grips,hooked quillion or crossguard,,,this is an earlier style of bayonet,,,the frog on the scabbard appears to me to be of the later war variety,rubberized canvas,altho in fact it may be leather,i cant really tell from the pics,,,the serial numbers are usually on the metal spine of the topside of the grip area,,,nice find,,robert

Thank you Robert,
I can 100% assure you that the frog is leather, and it is a thick one. I will try to post a pic of the eyelets (on the grip) that are oval, instead of square, or round. now that I know the pics are ok, I am going to put up some better ones. I had a feeling the bayo was early, but I had based that on no arsenal markings.
give me a few, and I will have other pics.
also, the blood well has traces of lines within the well.

Scabbard looks like rubberized canvas to me too.
The leather ones were usually darker.

Paul, this is definately a training bayonet. There seem to be endless minor variations of these things but all are unsharpened. If you will be attending the SoS, look me up at my table. I will have a few interesting training bayonets for sale. Last month, I sold 31 Japanese bayonets to one collector and these are all that's left (Japanese, that is).
Nice catch!

Yes that's a training bayonet. The frog is likely worth more than the bayonet! You can spot a trainer by 1) poor, crude quality of finish 2) blood groove sometimes does not extend as far as standard bayonet 3) No arsenal marks on blade 4)sometimes a 1-3 digit number on pommel end 5)black paint on scabbard. Straight cross guard training bayonets are harder to find.