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Hi Guys,
Just acquired some German WWII stuff. Any idea on the nature of these items?
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Hello Manuel, in the first pic, the braided cord item is an early Army marksmanship lanyard, don't know about the pin. In the second pic, it appears to be a Hitler Youth "tinnie". Have no idea about the third pic. Hope this helps! Regards, Leipzig


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The upper pic has the new items.I didn't know anything about them. Thanks for the pointer.

The second pin is one tinny I got from a sweet old German lady in Columbus, OH. One of the old and original die-hards.

The third one is an unique sweetheart's brooch. It did open many doors in Nazi occupied Europe, quite a story behind it.

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Manny do a search on Marksmanship Lanyards and you'll get some info on the Shooters Lanyard.


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Thanks for the suggestion Ed, just did. Quite informative. Seems it's a first grade early Infantry.

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Manny I'm not sure as I can't find the book with some info on laynards but this may be a little higher than 1st grade due to the gold tone on the shield.I think 1st were silver tone.Check some of the dealer sites and you may find more info


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Definitly a 1st grade as that style shield was early and only came in grades 1 through 4.

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Hi Guys,

Ed has voiced my own question. This one is bronzed/brass gilded. From what I have read, the only difference between the grades prior to 1939 should have been the number of acorns.

What do you make out of it, Raymond?

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Definitly a 1st grade as that style shield was early and only came in grades 1 through 4.

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Raymond ,looking through Fuhrer and Fatherland by Angolia it states Grade 1-4 in white alloy thru 19/12/38.Could this have been an early 9-12 with no acorns or shells as there had to be awards for higher grades and the new shield was after the above date or could it have been for Armored as there shield came out on the above date also.Not to much info on lanyards


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Hi Ed,
I read somewhere that the panzer units shield for the lanyard had tank threads on it.
Saw another like mine, also gilded, being described as a first grade by the dealer...
The gilded issue also befuddles me.
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The tank one came out in '38 with a wreath and tank.


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Ed, I'm not sure. I thought there was only grades 1-4 prior to 19-12-38, but re-reading "For Fhrer and Fatherland" that's not true. There was 10 (dec 1920 -Jan 1928) then 24 grades (Jan 1928 -1936) when they used sleeve strips. The book shows the 1st pattern shield in use from 1936 - 19.12.1938 for grades 1-4 but no menchion of higher grades untill the 2nd pattern shields came out after 19.12.1938. So what did they use for the higher grades from 1936 to 1938?
I don't think the one Manuel shows is gilted just oxidised, maybe it has a coating of laquer that's tarnished, similar to helmet decals. Either way it's a nice example.
Here are the shields (L-R)
1-4 1936 to 19.12.1938
1-4 after 19.12.1938
5-8
9-12

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Sorry to say the De-ist-erwacht carbadge is a fantasy. I had one when I first started collecting.

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Ray ,were your speaking would still be the Imperial era and not much of an army .Maybe there was no need for higher class ?


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