#57929
01/23/2009 08:53 PM
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Would like opinions on this if possible please. Apparently I gathered from a prior post that "There exist quite good repros of the RZM M7-2(Voos) 1938 HJ knife." Photos attached, scabbard is repainted, has cotton liner, is magnetic, no lip, brown snap, rivet on front. Knife, magnetic blade, handle not magnetic, some flaking of the chrome. I've been trying to sell it and I guess some are erring on the cautious side with the crooked RZM etc. Thank You, ESU        
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#57930
01/23/2009 09:09 PM
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ESU i see no red flags on this hj knife looks 100% genuine the only thing i see is a possible scabbard repaint apart from that its a nice rzm peice.....Regards Scott.
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#57931
01/23/2009 09:30 PM
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Thx Scott,
I had mentioned the scabbard is defintely repainted. Will that drastically impact selling it? I was asking $225 incl shipping, I didnt think that was too high.
Cory
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#57932
01/23/2009 11:18 PM
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Cory $225 inc shipping is a really good price for this hj even with the repainted scabbard which looks as if it was done well  ......Best Scott.
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#57933
01/24/2009 12:15 AM
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Cory,
The fact the piece is an RZM would definitely affect the piece's desireablilty & price. That said, I agree with Sweezz that you'll have takers at $225.
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#57934
01/24/2009 01:18 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Billy G.:
Cory,
The fact the piece is an RZM would definitely affect the piece's desireablilty & price. That said, I agree with Sweezz that you'll have takers at $225.
BillyG and Sweeez thx for your opinions. Billy could you explain what you mean by" The fact the piece is an RZM would definitely affect the piece's desireablilty & price. " I'm very very very new to this. Cory
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#57935
01/24/2009 02:15 AM
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RZM's normally don't bring the price that the earlier maker's marked HJ's do.
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#57936
01/24/2009 11:26 AM
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Cory,
Your knife is fine, I see nothing to worry about.
Also the copies of this one bear the motto, unlike yours.
Your asking price is also correct, the only reason why it did not sell so far must be slow market.
These late Voos knifes also have often quite crudely closed rivest, which also makes some collectors doubt about the originality.
Here are a couple of pictures of an identical Voos 1938 HJ knife without motto.
Best greetings,
Herman
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01/24/2009 11:33 AM
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01/24/2009 11:34 AM
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01/24/2009 11:34 AM
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01/24/2009 11:35 AM
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#57941
01/24/2009 01:29 PM
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Herman i bet you have the best hj knife collection in europe Cory rzm marked only hjs without the motto make the least money. if it was an early hj with motto or a transitional period hj with dual stamps & motto you are talking a good bit more $$$$......Best Scott. 
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#57942
01/24/2009 03:18 PM
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Thank You all for your opinions and answers. My experience here has been a pleasurable one and a learning one, just as it should be.
Thx Cory
PS Herman, that HJ is gorgeous.
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#57943
01/24/2009 04:46 PM
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Cory, A lot of collectors collect by maker logos which predated the RZM marked pieces. RZM pieces were later in production & reflected this in the quality of their construction & parts which often show more degradation 60+ years later. As Sweezz said too, most RZM HJ pieces lack the blade motto. You'll see a general waning of interest not only in HJ knives but also with SAs & SSs. It's not that there's no market for RZM pieces but that they're not as widely sought after. That said, some RZM pieces (primarily the earlier ones) can still show quality & beauty. For a newer collector, you seem to be doing well IMO. Keep up the good work
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#57944
01/24/2009 05:13 PM
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I'm tryin Billy I'm tryin,,,, every now and then you get a good one, my SA dagger as an example. Once I even had an old neighbor give me the MP40 he brought home from Vietnam because he didnt want to take it to FLA when he moved but thats another story lol. Cory quote: Originally posted by Billy G.: Cory, A lot of collectors collect by maker logos which predated the RZM marked pieces. RZM pieces were later in production & reflected this in the quality of their construction & parts which often show more degradation 60+ years later. As Sweezz said too, most RZM HJ pieces lack the blade motto. You'll see a general waning of interest not only in HJ knives but also with SAs & SSs. It's not that there's no market for RZM pieces but that they're not as widely sought after. That said, some RZM pieces (primarily the earlier ones) can still show quality & beauty. For a newer collector, you seem to be doing well IMO. Keep up the good work
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#57945
01/28/2009 03:29 PM
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So can an RZM piece have a motto? Or is this something else that indicates a fake? I was looking at one at a gunshow that had RZm mark M7 38, a motto but no maker mark? Cory quote: Originally posted by Billy G.: Cory, A lot of collectors collect by maker logos which predated the RZM marked pieces. RZM pieces were later in production & reflected this in the quality of their construction & parts which often show more degradation 60+ years later. As Sweezz said too, most RZM HJ pieces lack the blade motto. You'll see a general waning of interest not only in HJ knives but also with SAs & SSs. It's not that there's no market for RZM pieces but that they're not as widely sought after. That said, some RZM pieces (primarily the earlier ones) can still show quality & beauty. For a newer collector, you seem to be doing well IMO. Keep up the good work
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#57946
01/28/2009 03:42 PM
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Cory,
There are original RZM only knifes which have the motto, the most common is the RZM M7-51 (Anton Wingen Jr.) produced from 1936 to 1938.
If you search the forum, you will find several posts about these knifes.
RZM M7-38 (Paul Seilheimer) also produced a RZM only knife with motto, but there also exist fakes of this one, so always be carefull when you intend to buy.
Best greetings,
Herman
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#57947
01/28/2009 04:21 PM
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Herman, my buddy bought that one, I passed. We did take some photos when we got home, I'll post them as soon as I resize them a little, Cory quote: Originally posted by Herman V. (aka Herr Mann):
Cory,
There are original RZM only knifes which have the motto, the most common is the RZM M7-51 (Anton Wingen Jr.) produced from 1936 to 1938.
If you search the forum, you will find several posts about these knifes.
RZM M7-38 (Paul Seilheimer) also produced a RZM only knife with motto, but there also exist fakes of this one, so always be carefull when you intend to buy.
Best greetings,
Herman
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01/28/2009 04:45 PM
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01/28/2009 04:49 PM
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01/28/2009 04:51 PM
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01/28/2009 04:53 PM
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01/28/2009 10:14 PM
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Pictures are not too sharp, but this knife looks authentic from what I can see.
Best greetings,
Herman
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#57954
01/28/2009 10:27 PM
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TY Herman,, by the time I resize theres no quality left,  Cory quote: Originally posted by Herman V. (aka Herr Mann):
Pictures are not too sharp, but this knife looks authentic from what I can see.
Best greetings,
Herman
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#57955
01/29/2009 05:31 PM
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Cory not a bad hj rzm peice with a nice clear motto that are quite hard to find these days i like it buddy.....cheers Scott.
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#57956
01/29/2009 07:58 PM
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Thx Scott, I'm going to owe you guys a few beers before i'm done with this collecting bug. Although it may be hard to buy 1 for Herman over in Belgium. Cory quote: Originally posted by sweezz: Cory not a bad hj rzm peice with a nice clear motto that are quite hard to find these days i like it buddy.....cheers Scott.
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#57957
01/29/2009 08:52 PM
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Cory you,ll have to head over to Scotland to buy me a beer or twelve  .....Cheers Scott.
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01/30/2009 01:13 AM
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Scotland huh? OK, warm beer but none of that hagis (?) stuff, Cory quote: Originally posted by sweezz: Cory you,ll have to head over to Scotland to buy me a beer or twelve .....Cheers Scott.
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#57959
01/30/2009 10:50 AM
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Cory "warm beer" no way buddy!!!  chilled beer & a big plate of haggis for me .......Cheers Scott.
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#57960
01/30/2009 01:37 PM
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I'll just have the beer then and watch you eat... quote: Originally posted by sweezz: Cory "warm beer" no way buddy!!! chilled beer & a big plate of haggis for me .......Cheers Scott.
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01/30/2009 05:37 PM
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Cory no problem for me to eat haggis,tatties & neeps washed down with a few beers ....Cheers Scott.
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#57962
01/30/2009 06:06 PM
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I dont want to be insulting but better you than me, I'll just drink and watch.
Cory
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01/30/2009 07:53 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ESU: I dont want to be insulting but better you than me, I'll just drink and watch. Ok Cory no worries ....Ora Best Scott.
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