#57774
10/27/2006 01:04 PM
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recently obtained in Germany
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#57775
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"Wer sein eigener Lehrmeister sein will, hat einen Narren als Sch?ler" (He who wants to be his own master, has a idiot for a pupil)
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#57776
10/27/2006 01:05 PM
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"Wer sein eigener Lehrmeister sein will, hat einen Narren als Sch?ler" (He who wants to be his own master, has a idiot for a pupil)
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#57777
10/27/2006 01:06 PM
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"Wer sein eigener Lehrmeister sein will, hat einen Narren als Sch?ler" (He who wants to be his own master, has a idiot for a pupil)
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#57778
10/27/2006 01:07 PM
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"Wer sein eigener Lehrmeister sein will, hat einen Narren als Sch?ler" (He who wants to be his own master, has a idiot for a pupil)
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#57779
10/27/2006 01:08 PM
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6 - the special script fot this dagger
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#57780
10/27/2006 01:09 PM
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"Wer sein eigener Lehrmeister sein will, hat einen Narren als Sch?ler" (He who wants to be his own master, has a idiot for a pupil)
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#57781
10/27/2006 01:11 PM
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"Wer sein eigener Lehrmeister sein will, hat einen Narren als Sch?ler" (He who wants to be his own master, has a idiot for a pupil)
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#57782
10/27/2006 01:12 PM
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9 - one more of the eagle
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#57783
10/27/2006 01:13 PM
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"Wer sein eigener Lehrmeister sein will, hat einen Narren als Sch?ler" (He who wants to be his own master, has a idiot for a pupil)
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#57784
10/27/2006 01:14 PM
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11 - Details of the script
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#57785
10/27/2006 01:15 PM
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12 - details of the script (2)
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#57786
10/27/2006 01:16 PM
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"Wer sein eigener Lehrmeister sein will, hat einen Narren als Sch?ler" (He who wants to be his own master, has a idiot for a pupil)
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#57787
10/27/2006 01:18 PM
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14 - The maker and Gau's markings.
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#57788
10/27/2006 01:19 PM
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(With an anodized scabbard)
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#57789
10/27/2006 03:16 PM
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Very interesting. Thanks for posting it.
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#57790
10/27/2006 03:41 PM
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I have only seen photos of these, but this one is in the best condition of any of them. Great and rare piece. Thanks for sharing!
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#57791
10/27/2006 05:13 PM
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Nice,I never see these pieces,what a beauty!
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#57792
10/27/2006 05:32 PM
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#57793
10/27/2006 05:33 PM
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Hi everyone,a few months ago,I sent photos of this dagger to some members of this forum. I was told told leave it as it was a fake,that it should not be Gau marked, the eagle was from a badge,and the low price of �1350. Any comments, regards nats http://members.lycos.nl/stantheman/
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#57794
10/27/2006 07:06 PM
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quote: Originally posted by nats: Hi everyone,a few months ago,I sent photos of this dagger to some members of this forum. I was told told leave it as it was a fake,that it should not be Gau marked, the eagle was from a badge,and the low price of �1350. Any comments, regards nats http://members.lycos.nl/stantheman/
I am with Stan, i especiality don't like the grip eagle , it is not the familiar eagle i know. Only my opinion .
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#57795
10/27/2006 08:28 PM
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I have never seen one in person, it looks GREAT!! I will be interested to hear what more experienced collectors think of its originality...
If it is bad then someone really did a masterful job woth the grip! The eagle fits VERY nicely even having the head cut out. And the way that the grip fits the upper and lower fittings looks quite nice too.
This has my attention...
Fascinating!
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#57796
10/27/2006 08:43 PM
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These are very rare birds to say the least. Tom Wittman showed me two of them that he had and both were fakes according to him. If I remember correctly he said they used cap eagles. If it is authentic congrats on a nearly impossible dagger to find..
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#57797
10/27/2006 09:45 PM
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Johnny, You missed one in person as it was in the display section of the MAX ! 
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#57798
10/27/2006 10:35 PM
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JR,
I missed it too as I missed the MAX. Whose was it ? did you get pictures ?
Thanks
Dave
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#57799
10/28/2006 12:08 AM
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Pearl Mattox's collection.
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#57800
10/28/2006 01:00 AM
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I saw the one at the WAX. It was sweet. It was also the only one I had ever seen in person. Wish I would of took my camera.
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#57801
10/28/2006 02:44 AM
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I am not familiar with this particular grip eagle type.
But looking at the makers logo, it looks good to me. What do you guys think? -wagner-
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#57802
10/28/2006 10:26 AM
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Forget the grip... How `bout that blade!!!!!! 
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#57803
10/28/2006 10:51 PM
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That dagger was on "militariaweb" a while back. I have exchanged emails with Jochen and, as I told him, the dagger is unfortunately in my opinion a reworked normal early EP&S dagger. Two major red flags are: - Gau mark. The earliest daggers did NOT have them. They were essentially prototypes given as gift to the top SA guys. - Placement of the trademark. It should be much closer to the crossguards. These fake "pointy wing" daggers have been appearing in Europe for about 4 years. The one above is the best one I have seen so far, but is still lacking in several details. Dave PS - Thanks JR
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#57804
10/29/2006 02:44 AM
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When you have handled a period early logo SA, there is no doubt in your mind. And this isn't one of them.
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#57805
10/29/2006 11:41 PM
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The grip doesn't look right to me either, but I would like to see the top and bottom of the grip openings when taken down. If it is a fake, the fakers know that EP&S frequently has a red stained grip.
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#57806
10/30/2006 06:11 AM
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"Wer sein eigener Lehrmeister sein will, hat einen Narren als Sch?ler" (He who wants to be his own master, has a idiot for a pupil)
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#57807
10/30/2006 06:13 AM
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and upper part, with an engraved "H" in the wood
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#57808
10/30/2006 06:14 AM
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"Wer sein eigener Lehrmeister sein will, hat einen Narren als Sch?ler" (He who wants to be his own master, has a idiot for a pupil)
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#57809
11/01/2006 01:40 AM
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I am not going to comment on the originality of this dagger other than to say that the handle looks good and the eagle is a perfect fit. It could be a lapel eagle but a cap eagle would be too large to fit this grip IMO.The overall quality is certainly there. In so far as Tom Ws assessment, I have sold to Tom and have purchased from him. Although I like him he is far from perfect and has been known to make a few mistakes. Such has been my experience. cheers, Ryan
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#57810
11/03/2006 06:59 AM
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What do you think about this eagle? Sorry about the flash and quality.
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#57811
11/03/2006 07:00 AM
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#57812
11/03/2006 07:01 AM
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#57813
11/03/2006 01:34 PM
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Barker- I am no expert, but I don't like the grip on yours. It looks mis-shapen and the fit to the crossguard (last pic.) is off.
Do you have any pics. of the motto or a close-up of the makers mark???
But ofcourse I may be wrong - JMO
It is interesting however that there are now 2 of these by the saem maker, with VERY similar wood grain, etc...
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#57814
11/03/2006 02:50 PM
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Hello Johnny, The grip is not as perfect as the later mass produced daggers, these were each custom made. I would worry about one that looked perfect. The crossguards are also made differently, look closely. And unlike the Eickhorn early "A" daggers all I have seen were ground Rohms.
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#57815
11/03/2006 04:09 PM
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Barker- You are probably correct, I have little knowledge of these very early pieces. Congrats on what appears to be a very rare find!
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#57816
11/06/2006 05:16 AM
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I am fortunate to have one the these early daggers and also, as Dave H. knows, I have an extra early grip eagle. Neither one of my eagles looks like the first dagger in this thread and mine have the prongs on the reverse, much like the second pattern eagle.
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