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recently obtained in Germany

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6 - the special script fot this dagger

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7 Details of the grip

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8 - details of the eagle

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9 - one more of the eagle

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10 - Top of the grip

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11 - Details of the script

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12 - details of the script (2)

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13 - the script (3)

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14 - The maker and Gau's markings.

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(With an anodized scabbard)


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Very interesting. Thanks for posting it.

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I have only seen photos of these, but this one is in the best condition of any of them. Great and rare piece. Thanks for sharing!

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Nice,I never see these pieces,what a beauty!

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outstanding!

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Hi everyone,a few months ago,I sent photos of this dagger to some members of this forum.
I was told told leave it as it was a fake,that it should not be Gau marked, the eagle was from a badge,and the low price of �1350.
Any comments, regards nats

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quote:
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Hi everyone,a few months ago,I sent photos of this dagger to some members of this forum.
I was told told leave it as it was a fake,that it should not be Gau marked, the eagle was from a badge,and the low price of �1350.
Any comments, regards nats

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I am with Stan,
i especiality don't like the grip eagle , it is not the familiar eagle i know.
Only my opinion .

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I have never seen one in person, it looks GREAT!! I will be interested to hear what more experienced collectors think of its originality...
If it is bad then someone really did a masterful job woth the grip! The eagle fits VERY nicely even having the head cut out. And the way that the grip fits the upper and lower fittings looks quite nice too.
This has my attention...
Fascinating!


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These are very rare birds to say the least. Tom Wittman showed me two of them that he had and both were fakes according to him. If I remember correctly he said they used cap eagles. If it is authentic congrats on a nearly impossible dagger to find..

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Johnny, You missed one in person as it was in the display section of the MAX ! Big Grin

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JR,

I missed it too as I missed the MAX. Whose was it ? did you get pictures ?

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Pearl Mattox's collection.

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I saw the one at the WAX. It was sweet. It was also the only one I had ever seen in person. Wish I would of took my camera.

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I am not familiar with this particular grip eagle type.
But looking at the makers logo, it looks good to me. What do you guys think? -wagner-

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Forget the grip...
How `bout that blade!!!!!! Smile

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That dagger was on "militariaweb" a while back.

I have exchanged emails with Jochen and, as I told him, the dagger is unfortunately in my opinion a reworked normal early EP&S dagger. Two major red flags are:

- Gau mark. The earliest daggers did NOT have them. They were essentially prototypes given as gift to the top SA guys.

- Placement of the trademark. It should be much closer to the crossguards.

These fake "pointy wing" daggers have been appearing in Europe for about 4 years. The one above is the best one I have seen so far, but is still lacking in several details.

Dave
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When you have handled a period early logo SA, there is no doubt in your mind. And this isn't one of them.

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The grip doesn't look right to me either, but I would like to see the top and bottom of the grip openings when taken down. If it is a fake, the fakers know that EP&S frequently has a red stained grip.

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the grip lowee part

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and upper part, with an engraved "H" in the wood

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the "H"

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I am not going to comment on the originality of this dagger other than to say that the handle looks good and the eagle is a perfect fit. It could be a lapel eagle but a cap eagle would be too large to fit this grip IMO.The overall quality is certainly there. In so far as Tom Ws assessment, I have sold to Tom and have purchased from him. Although I like him he is far from perfect and has been known to make a few mistakes. Such has been my experience. cheers, Ryan

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What do you think about this eagle? Sorry about the flash and quality.

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Whole grip.

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And logo.

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Barker- I am no expert, but I don't like the grip on yours. It looks mis-shapen and the fit to the crossguard (last pic.) is off.
Do you have any pics. of the motto or a close-up of the makers mark???
But ofcourse I may be wrong - JMO
It is interesting however that there are now 2 of these by the saem maker, with VERY similar wood grain, etc...


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