#56931
01/24/2006 01:23 AM
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Hi guys, I just acquired this near mint double-decal black Allgemeine-SS/SS-VT M16 helmet. It is a WW1 Austrian shell M16 with a reworked mid-1930's three pad liner and chinstrap....typical of the SS helmets from this period. Interestingly, the liner is stamped "1934" on one of the inner tongues. This helmet appears in Kelly Hick's first volume of "SS Helmets - A Collector's Guide" on pages 39, 40 and 41. It also graces page 51 of Kelly's "SS Steel". My friend Shu will recognize this helmet as it used to reside with him in Japan up until a few years ago. Hope you like... 
Darryl
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#56932
01/24/2006 01:26 AM
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#56933
01/24/2006 01:27 AM
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Darryl
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#56934
01/24/2006 01:30 AM
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Darryl you're off to an early start to another record setting year.
Congratulations,
John
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#56935
01/24/2006 01:41 AM
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Hope you like... Oh, yeah. We like.  What a magnificent helmet. Great start to a new year and may it continue at the current pace. That is the sort of item that could cause one to consider abandoning the intractable lure of combat helmets. Great piece. Good job.  Cody
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#56936
01/24/2006 01:44 AM
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Superb Darryl!
Your continued acquisitions are amazing to say the least.
Roy
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#56937
01/24/2006 01:46 AM
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I think I need to save a get maybe one of them. Errr. Anyways awesome helmet Darryl
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#56938
01/24/2006 01:53 AM
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Darryl, You never cease to amaze us with your "blackie" finds. Awesome my friend.
"And I will show you where the Iron Crosses grow"
-Cross of Iron
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#56939
01/24/2006 02:09 AM
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What a start..now where?
History writ large...takes the steam out of us fngs..man o man.
Paul
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#56940
01/24/2006 02:09 AM
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Super and very rare helmet Darryl..Congrats,
Glenn
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#56941
01/24/2006 02:12 AM
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Yet another amazing find...Well done my friend..
Cheers
ANDY B......
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#56942
01/24/2006 02:22 AM
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CONGRAT ...A NEW BLACK BEAUTY INTO YOUR,S COLLECTION WOW WOW GREAT ONE 
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#56943
01/24/2006 02:39 AM
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Great start Darryl, no drought for 2006
Matt
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#56944
01/24/2006 04:55 AM
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#56945
01/24/2006 05:37 AM
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fabulous....Utterly fabulous. 2006 is starting out with a real bang it seems!
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01/24/2006 06:14 AM
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#56947
01/24/2006 06:52 AM
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Darryl You are a man with a porpose. You mush have the greatest collection of Blackies to date.......................... BAR NONE See Ya in Louisville. 
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#56948
01/24/2006 07:27 AM
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Congratulations to an awesome helmet Darryl. Very nice start to 2006. Regards, Anders.
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#56949
01/24/2006 07:38 AM
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I'm happy for you Darryl! your collecting
targets are so rare and hard to hit that I think that just the chance to spot one for sale must be pretty tough.really glad for you
Mario
looking for minty/VG cond NS 35 decaled lids
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#56950
01/24/2006 07:59 AM
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Another excellent find my friend, well done.
Cheers
Don
"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#56951
01/24/2006 08:08 AM
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Ahhhh.. You rascal you. Ulf.
"The man who stands at a strange threshold, should be cautious before he cross it.
Glance this way and that. Who knows beforehand what foes may sit, awaiting him in the hall?" -Odin
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#56952
01/24/2006 08:17 AM
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Superb helmet Darryl
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#56953
01/24/2006 09:35 AM
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Darryl,
What a great score! Some day I would love to see the entire line-up. Well Done!
Always Looking for Quality US Airborne items. tlckkibler@msn.com
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#56954
01/24/2006 10:29 AM
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Congratulations! What a beauty!
Andrew
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#56955
01/24/2006 11:54 AM
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Terrific helmet Darryl. Congratulations with your newest find. I would love to see a family picture of your collection!
Cees
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#56956
01/24/2006 01:35 PM
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Good things come to good people. Congratulations!
Magna res est vocis et silentii temperamentum.
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#56957
01/24/2006 02:15 PM
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Congratulations, Darryl! What a surprise! That was indeed an awesome helmet. Glad it found a good home! Shu
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#56958
01/24/2006 04:38 PM
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MAGNIFICENT PIECE OF HISTORY. AND IN THE HANDS OF A GREAT COLLECTOR, CONGRATULATIONS.
All the best,
Federico
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#56959
01/24/2006 07:17 PM
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Thanks for all the kind words, guys...they are truly appreciated. I guess I should confess that I have been holding out on you all. There were actually two boxes waiting for me the other day. Hmmm...perhaps I should open the other box. What do you think...should I??
Darryl
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#56960
01/24/2006 07:49 PM
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Darryl:
You are starting to sound like Monte Hall! Yes. I, for one would very much like to see what is behind curtain number 2 :-)
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#56961
01/24/2006 08:03 PM
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It would be easier to just send the other box to me since it isn't open yet What do you think.
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#56962
01/24/2006 08:30 PM
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Open the darn thing Glenn
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#56963
01/24/2006 08:31 PM
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Monty Hall...ah yes, another good Canadian boy from Winnipeg. Sorry for dragging this out, fellas. I'm just trying to make things somewhat interesting.
Ok, here's a cool piece of paper-provenance from the vet who "liberated" this next piece. Please note that I have airbrushed out the vet's name on the image.
Darryl
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#56964
01/24/2006 08:43 PM
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Here is the "SS helmet (black)" the vet found...a Q66 M35. This helmet was acquired directly from the veteran in 1985 by an established US collector.
Darryl
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#56965
01/24/2006 08:48 PM
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The other side. I won't be putting an image of the inside here on the forum. However, if anyone wants to see it this helmet is featured on pages 134 and 135 of Hicks' "SS Steel".
Darryl
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#56966
01/24/2006 08:53 PM
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My god that is nice, you`re tempting me
Tonym
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#56967
01/24/2006 10:27 PM
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Another killer helmet Darryl. I assume that you will be on a strict diet of hot dogs for the next little while They could not have found a more deserving home. Glenn
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#56968
01/24/2006 10:59 PM
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Fantastic, as usual Darryl !
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#56969
01/24/2006 11:33 PM
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Just keeps getting better!
Paul
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#56970
01/25/2006 01:46 AM
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Darryl, very nice pick-ups that M35 is killer.
Your on a roll these days.
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#56971
01/25/2006 02:01 AM
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Funny how everyone tends to like the M35s. Personally, I like the transitionals better..they tend to typify the early SS and the Gothic all-black look. However, that said, I do believe the black M35s are much more rare than the "trannies". The trannies though are harder to find in real nice condition.
Here's a rare pic of a black M35 in period wear by an SS-TV member.
Darryl
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#56972
01/25/2006 02:45 AM
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You HAVE been holding out on your Forum friends. Bad boy. Nice helm. Cody
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#56973
01/25/2006 03:06 AM
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Darryl,
I'm in AWWWWWW. Two in a day....
Always Looking for Quality US Airborne items. tlckkibler@msn.com
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#56974
01/25/2006 03:11 AM
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Wow....Anton Glaser's helmet is nothing....THIS one really takes the prize for the most interesting helmet shown here in recent memory.
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#56975
01/25/2006 05:58 AM
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Wow! VERY IMPRESSIVE. Those are some jaw dropping helmets indeed.
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#56976
01/25/2006 06:18 AM
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darryl, Man o Man! super nice. Thanks for giving us a peek.
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#56977
01/25/2006 11:00 AM
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Speechless
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#56978
01/25/2006 02:59 PM
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From the cover of Andrew Mollo's classic work, "A Pictorial History of the SS - 1923-1945" here is a sea of black SS M35 helmets at Nurnberg. Makes you wonder where they are now.
Darryl
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#56979
01/25/2006 03:24 PM
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#56980
01/25/2006 03:26 PM
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Awesome helmet ,great thing about these forums is you can share your lids with other appreaciative collectors .Rob.
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#56981
01/25/2006 03:42 PM
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most of them are repainted,
some killer lids you have,
never hold a black painted m35 ss
Marc
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#56982
01/25/2006 04:03 PM
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Hi Marc,
Yes, it was a rhetorical question. Actually, the vast majority of black M35s were repainted feldgrau and reissued to the Verfugungstruppe (later Waffen-SS). Only a small number would have been held back in reserve for possible parade purposes.
Of the older transitional helmets, most of these (according to Mollo) were melted down for their metal and used for the war effort. Although you see a few of the WW1 style helmets in WW2 combat use there were not that many around after about 1940.
I believe Terry Goodapple has an example of a black SS transitional overpainted with felgrau paint for issue to the field troops. I have not seen nor heard of another.
Cheers,
Darryl
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01/26/2006 12:51 AM
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#56984
01/26/2006 12:54 AM
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Here's another nice image of black M35 helmets being worn. This is from Mark Yerger's "Images of the Waffen-SS" on page 156 and shows a unit of SS-Totenkopf "Oberbayern" on parade.
Cheers,
Darryl
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#56985
01/26/2006 01:19 AM
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Another killer lid Darryl. Wow....
"And I will show you where the Iron Crosses grow"
-Cross of Iron
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#56986
01/26/2006 02:00 AM
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Congratulations, Darryl! Looks like your house now became a DEUITSCHE BLACK HELMET BANK. Keep it up. I agree, the wartime necessity of recyling the black helmets into the field gray ones account for the ultra rarity of the black M35s. Long time ago I owned a Heer decaled rough-textured M35 with a rottenfuhrer name in the liner. It had black paint visible through its scuffs. I wonder where it is now. Should have kept it. Shu
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#56987
01/26/2006 02:50 AM
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Actually, I only keep a couple here at the house...for fondling . The others are stored at another location for safe-keeping. However, I have lots of digital pics here on the computer that I can use for reference and posting and such. Shu, your old Heer helmet sounds like it was a very cool example...even better than the Heer/SS one I still own. Cheers,
Darryl
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#56988
01/26/2006 03:16 AM
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From my collection of early SS portraits.... this original portrait of an SS VT officer wearing one of the combat M35s painted black.
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#56989
01/26/2006 03:24 AM
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Is it me, or does he look like that genius from Star Trek?
Paul
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#56990
01/26/2006 04:35 AM
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Ahem...Ken....I'm new to this forum, but shouldn't he be wearing an ear-cut-out?
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#56991
01/26/2006 06:49 AM
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Darryl,congrats again.What a fantastic helmet!! I also like the transitionals best,but this one is . Really hope to have one in my collection someday. I have only seen and hold one example in my life ,and it was way to expensive for me then. And Welcome to the forum Frank,i know we have "meet" before here in cyberspace. Nice to see you here too. Regards, Anders.
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01/26/2006 01:16 PM
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Yes indeed...it's nice to see Frank finally posting here. I have known him for a long time and he is one of the good guys in this hobby...a purist who loves helmets and collecting. None finer.
Hopefully we will be able to talk Frank into posting pictures of some German helmets from his great collection.
Wecome to the forum, Frank.
Cheers,
Darryl
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#56993
01/26/2006 04:31 PM
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Darryl as usual you got some stunning stuff....
My congrats!!!
Tom
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#56994
01/26/2006 05:51 PM
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Darryl, congratulations! Heart thumping helmets, would love to lay my hands on one of those M35's. Tim.
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#56995
01/26/2006 06:51 PM
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If anybody deserved to get these black SS helmets then they for sure ended up the right place, just beautiful!
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01/26/2006 06:55 PM
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Most likely at the bottom of the ocean in the bow of some sunken freighter smelled down in 1946. LOL Darryl you are amazing. Congratulations on your new acquisition(s). Unbelievable. Unbelievably unbelievable....[ quote: Originally posted by darryl:
From the cover of Andrew Mollo's classic work, "A Pictorial History of the SS - 1923-1945" here is a sea of black SS M35 helmets at Nurnberg. Makes you wonder where they are now.
SSTK Oberbayern
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