#56336
01/21/2007 11:53 PM
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#56337
01/24/2007 11:14 PM
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Seems like a good honest piece to me.
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#56338
01/25/2007 01:37 PM
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Non-Boker made crossguards which is Ok. It has the convex rune button with the silver runes that do not touch the inner circle (also Ok). I like the serial number... wish I had a numbered SS. Looks to be in pretty good shape. How about the scabbard?
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#56339
01/25/2007 01:57 PM
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Nice one. I like the patina on the crossguards.
"And I will show you where the Iron Crosses grow" -Cross of Iron
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#56340
01/25/2007 02:20 PM
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Very nice Boker Wagner. That's one sweet maker marked that I would like to own one day.
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#56341
01/25/2007 02:25 PM
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Nice one Wagner. I've seen this one somewhere, did it come from Lakesidetrader? John
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#56342
01/25/2007 05:06 PM
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Here are a few more pho H036.jpg[/IMG]tos.
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#56343
01/25/2007 05:08 PM
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#56344
01/25/2007 05:10 PM
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#56345
01/25/2007 05:38 PM
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Skyline, I'll have to check on the crossguard marks to see. I don't remember now. Everything fits like a Boker should. Scabbard and hanger looks original to the dagger. The early clip is missing the lever. The blued lever spring is present.
Dr. John, This one was not from Lakeside.
Now here's the best part. All you guys know how hard it is to find a listed officer. Well thanks to Bernie back in July, we finally got a name to the numbers. Albert Stryjewski D.O.B. 1.3.14 NSDAP # 1836645 SS-Untersturmfuhrer as of 20.4.37 Member of the first Batallion SS-Standarte "Deutschland" as of December 1937. On the staff of the Inspector of the SS-Verfugungstruppe (SS Special Purpose Troops) as of December 1938. Financial contributor to Lebensborn Awarded the SS Officers Sword in 1938 -wagner-
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#56346
01/25/2007 08:07 PM
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This dagger looks good to me.I own a b�ker too .Mine and other b�kers i have seen has a tang marking , looks as a double arrow.Can you see a marking like mine on your dagger too .
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#56347
01/25/2007 08:24 PM
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Great Boker! Love the fit and finish of this Maker.
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#56348
01/26/2007 09:27 AM
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Thank you gentlemen for all your comments I'll break down the dagger tomorrow and check on tang and crossguard markings. -wagner-
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#56349
01/26/2007 02:03 PM
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May we know where did you get it from? I,d like to see also the good picture of blade motto.
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#56350
01/26/2007 10:56 PM
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I have a few more photos for you guys. Sorry my camera skills not the best as you can see. IMG]
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#56351
01/26/2007 11:01 PM
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pg[/IMG]
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#56352
01/26/2007 11:04 PM
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#56353
01/26/2007 11:06 PM
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#56354
01/26/2007 11:12 PM
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Skyline, You know your stuff. The crossguards were very snug to the grip. They are marked with O & V . Have you every seen these before?
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#56355
01/26/2007 11:15 PM
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#56356
01/26/2007 11:21 PM
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deutscher, I found no tag markings. Has classic billit ridge.
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#56357
01/26/2007 11:23 PM
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#56358
01/26/2007 11:24 PM
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777, this is the best Motto photo I have. Hope it helps.
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#56359
01/26/2007 11:28 PM
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Oops! Bear with me guys, just a Dino in learning curve.
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#56360
01/26/2007 11:33 PM
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Here's the anodized scab bard.
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#56361
01/26/2007 11:42 PM
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777, purchased early last year from non Vet private party. -wagner-
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#56362
01/27/2007 03:58 AM
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Wagner... not trying to alarm you but I've got some issues with the etch. The "M" in Meine and the "h" in Heisst don't look right to me. Every original Boker etch has a triangular arrowhead at the bottom of the "h" in Heisst. They are the only maker that has this script.
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#56363
01/27/2007 06:55 AM
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Humm.. I'll have to do some research into that. Thanks Skyline. I always appreciate your input. And, what about that V & O marking on the crossguards? Have you seen that before? Wittmann doesn't have it listed in his book. But I can tell you that the grip and crossguards seemed like they were together for a very long time, and "snug as a bug in a rug". -wagner-
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#56364
01/27/2007 08:08 AM
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Skyline, is this motto on the Boker that you show, one of your Warhammer ink touch ups ? It has an un-natural look to the burnishing like this SA that you did.
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#56365
01/27/2007 09:18 AM
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This Boker of Mr. Wagner's has some very type characteristics that we see that more closely resemble a Hammesfahr M33, than that of a Boker. Among those features are the following:
1. Shape of the grip is closer to that of Hammesfahr than Boker.
2. "OV" caster marked crossguards which are seen on Hammesfahr SS daggers,among others. Where Bokers are mostly seen with "B" or "H"
3. High neck eagle seen mostly on Hammesfahrs where Boker almost always uses one of the "turned up beak" versions.
4. A light district mark III which is mostly seen on Hammesfahr's and seldom seen on Bokers.
5. And a motto etch that doesn't match either Hammesfahr nor Boker.
An interesting combination for sure.
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#56366
01/27/2007 02:45 PM
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Well, sorry to say that, but I don�t like the blade. Logo looks wrong in some details, so does the motto. I have a dagger with the same blade at home, so I know what red flags I�m talking about. I�m on the business trip in Berlin right now, without acces to my PC archive, so I�ll contact you, Wagner, on Wednesday and will post some pictures with details. The analysis made by JR makes the dagger even more questionable.
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#56367
01/27/2007 04:55 PM
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JR the blade I show is an untouched and unmessed with original. It's a beauty. In addition, the high neck eagles were often used by Boker on their earliest daggers. I believe the upturned beak examples are probably later manufacture.
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#56368
01/27/2007 06:16 PM
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It doesn't get much earlier than this one as the piece is a Boker Rohm Dagger with the turned up beak eagle.
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#56369
01/27/2007 06:42 PM
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This one is also a Boker Rohm. I think yours is the anomaly.
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#56370
01/27/2007 06:47 PM
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#56371
01/27/2007 07:41 PM
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Not sure Wagner if this is the real thing. I think I need a close examination of that piece. You can always send it out to me and then I can give you a correct evaluation !!!
LOL Just kidding, great piece !!! I can only hope (and dream) to find on in this condition !!
Have fun with it !!
"Nothing is new, only forgotten" Tyla
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#56372
01/28/2007 01:53 AM
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#56373
01/28/2007 04:47 AM
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Whatever! The dagger looks fine to me Wagner, from my perspective, cheers and enjoy, Ryan S
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