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Lets see some of your favorite police ID's documents, papers, etc.
This is one of mine, of course Gendarmerie related, and with a bit a postwar aspect...
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#56255
06/06/2008 04:25 AM
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Another shot of the same grouping
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06/06/2008 01:39 PM
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Here is an interesting Polizei Soldbuch. I did not know if I should put it here or in the WSP thread. This fellow is a reserve in the Wasserschutzpolizei. Notice he is wearing his standard police tunic in his photograph.
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#56257
06/13/2008 06:45 PM
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Several years ago I got all these interesting documents concerning Schutzpolizei Lt. August Graef.
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06/13/2008 06:47 PM
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Here some pages from his Polizei Dienstpass.
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..and 6th page . He had a lot of training !
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His promotion paper to Lt.
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06/13/2008 06:55 PM
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..and the lower section .
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06/13/2008 06:56 PM
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..the embossed police eagle .
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06/13/2008 06:57 PM
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His party membership card. It has due stamps on the backside .
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06/13/2008 06:59 PM
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His work service card in the NSDAP .
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..and his award document for his work service in the 'Westmark' . I assume work on the 'Westwall' construction work .
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06/13/2008 07:10 PM
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..and a close-up of the cancel .
There are no other entries in his Polizei-Dienstpass after his promotion to Lt . on 29.10.43. May be he was 'rewarded' with an assignment to fight the Russian Partisans or some other secret duty ???
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#56271
06/17/2008 04:19 AM
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quote: Originally posted by ORPO:
Here is an interesting Polizei Soldbuch. I did not know if I should put it here or in the WSP thread. This fellow is a reserve in the Wasserschutzpolizei. Notice he is wearing his standard police tunic in his photograph.
Very nice example and we see such a little amount of material from the WSP! Thanks for sharing!
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#56272
06/17/2008 04:21 AM
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quote: Originally posted by bernd:
Several years ago I got all these interesting documents concerning Schutzpolizei Lt. August Graef.
Bernd, nice grouping you have there! I always enjoy seeing these sort of groupings and knowing they will stay together! To me they say so much more about the individual and his career. Thanks for sharing!
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#56273
06/17/2008 06:05 PM
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Dave : The total documents give a reflection of the guy's " Lebenslauf " to the 1943 October date .
I forgot , I also had his 'Stahlhelm ' membership booklet .
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..and due stamp on page 11.
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06/18/2008 05:58 PM
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Bernd,
It is very nice to have these document groupings. I have one complete personnel file that has file copies of all the policeman's documents and one set from a retirement including his retirement documents signed by his colleagues.
Here is an early 1932 Ausweis from the Bavarian Polizei for an Oberwachtmeister. Interesting that this fellow's name was Weimar and this was issued during the last days of the Weimar Republic.
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#56279
06/21/2008 01:25 PM
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George: Very nice document .
Here now a SOLDBUCH to Heinrich Koehler , a Polizei-Meister in Wilhelmhaven.
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06/21/2008 01:26 PM
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His photo and signature on the first inside page .
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06/21/2008 01:29 PM
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The 2nd page . The swastika on the cancel was darkened out with a pencil , since he stayed in service at least until Dec.6.1945 under the British occupation .
On the 4th page is a note that he had joined the POLIZEI on 26.4.21---so he was a 'old timer'!
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06/21/2008 01:46 PM
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Page 5 gives his awards :
1.WWI Hindenburg Cross
2.Police Service Cross 2nd Class for 18years of service.
3.Austrian Annexation Medal .
4.Air Protection Medal
5.Sportsbadge ; this was crossedout , since it was replaced by the next medal .
6. SA-Sportsbadge.
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#56284
06/21/2008 01:49 PM
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Top of page 6 , which should have noted some combat action ,--but I don't know what the date stands for .
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06/21/2008 01:51 PM
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Page 8 shows that he was still in service on Dec.6.1945 ; which would have been under the 'new management' of the British!
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06/21/2008 01:54 PM
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..And an other page that lists his issued equipment .
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06/21/2008 01:56 PM
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..and a close-up of the nice cancel on page 6 .
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06/21/2008 03:05 PM
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Sorry : Under his list of medals , I missed his War Service Cross 2nd class with Swords .
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06/23/2008 06:58 PM
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Well,--noone wants to make any remarks ??
I just have to post an other document , this time a 'Dienstausweis' issued to Pol.Ob.Wachtmeister Wilhelm Beck der Schutzpolizei der staatlichen Pol.-Verwaltung Berlin , issued 20.12.36.
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06/23/2008 06:59 PM
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On the first inside page a ink notation with his promotion to Pol. Ob. Wachtmeister .
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06/23/2008 07:03 PM
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Other inside page shows the pass was good through 1939 .
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And an other Dienstausweis ! Issued to Leonhard Ortner , Ober-Wachtmeister der Gendarmerie der Reserve in Ansbach , a town of 38,000 in Bavaria , near Nuernberg.
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06/23/2008 07:13 PM
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..and a close-up of Leonhard.
I wonder where I have seen that style of mustach on a man ??
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06/23/2008 07:14 PM
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..and close-up of the cancel and signature of Hauptmann L.Katzenberger .
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06/23/2008 07:19 PM
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2nd inside page shows that the pass was good through 1944 .
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06/23/2008 07:24 PM
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.And now a Hilfs-Polizei Ausweis to Bruno Lorenz , a Harness maker or leather worker , like shoes .
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06/23/2008 07:28 PM
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Backside of the pass shows it was issued in Berlin , Schutzpolizei -Abschnittskommando of the district of Berlin- Wedding .
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...and close-up of the Major's signature and ink cancel.
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#56301
06/29/2008 04:09 AM
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Bernd, excellent pictures and ID's!!! Also some new material that I've not seen before! It's really enjoyable seeing what others have been so fortunate to have found. Thanks for sharing!
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#56302
06/29/2008 02:06 PM
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Erich Goerke Gestapo Id card and Wehrpass
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06/29/2008 02:20 PM
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Three original sets of Gestapo and State Kripo ID
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#56305
06/30/2008 03:50 AM
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Don, those postings are absolutely the best! Since I'm somewhat of a document collector, I have to say those Dienstausweis are amazing and that uniform picture on Sohst's example is WOW! I need to find one someday!!! Such stunning & rare material! Thanks for sharing!
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#56306
06/30/2008 10:58 AM
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Thanks Dave. Here are two other cards for Sohst.
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06/30/2008 12:30 PM
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Don, now that is amazing, three cards for the same individual!!! How rare is that?? Have you seen many sets of ID's for the same individual? Were they issued annually? Those are fantastic and thanks for sharing!
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#56309
06/30/2008 03:39 PM
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Dave,
All Gestapo and Kripo Dienstausweise are very rare. These multiple cards to one person should never have existed as it was against Himmler's regulations for an officer to keep a no longer valid police ID card for the Kripo or Gestapo. They were supposed to be turned in to be destroyed.
I think the combination of the fact that Walter Sohst was a high ranking officer and that he had been in three different sections of the non-uniformed police (Gestapo) (Gestapo training instructor) and (State Kripo) and was in different locations made it possible for him to keep all three cards.
The cards were found hidden with his moth-eaten shoulder boards and two 1945 tram tickets, hidden in a false wall of what was probably his former office in the Skoda Werke headquarters building, when it was being remodled for a Prague City office building.
Sohst, having health problems and being a trained engineer, was transferred to the Skoda munitions operation, taking him out of Germany into the Protektorate.
Full color pictures and the story of this discovery can be found in the September/October issue of "THE ARMOURER", a British militaria collectors magazine. Back issues can be ordered at editor.armourer@btinternet.com
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Walter Sohst spent ten years as a prisoner in Czech prisons from 1945 to 1955. These are his hidden shoulderboards.
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07/01/2008 04:40 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Don Bible:
Dave,
All Gestapo and Kripo Dienstausweise are very rare. These multiple cards to one person should never have existed as it was against Himmler's regulations for an officer to keep a no longer valid police ID card for the Kripo or Gestapo. They were supposed to be turned in to be destroyed.
I think the combination of the fact that Walter Sohst was a high ranking officer and that he had been in three different sections of the non-uniformed police (Gestapo) (Gestapo training instructor) and (State Kripo) and was in different locations made it possible for him to keep all three cards.
The cards were found hidden with his moth-eaten shoulder boards and two 1945 tram tickets, hidden in a false wall of what was probably his former office in the Skoda Werke headquarters building, when it was being remodled for a Prague City office building.
Sohst, having health problems and being a trained engineer, was transferred to the Skoda munitions operation, taking him out of Germany into the Protektorate.
Full color pictures and the story of this discovery can be found in the September/October issue of "THE ARMOURER", a British militaria collectors magazine. Back issues can be ordered at editor.armourer@btinternet.com
Hi Don, Many thanks for the additional information and most intriguing story! What a fortunate and likely one-of-a-kind find! Are all of Sohst's effect shown now in your possession? Those shoulder straps are really something! Now I'll have to go order a back issue to read the full story since you got my interests peaked here! Nothing like these sort of story's to get the collecting blood flowing!
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07/01/2008 11:00 AM
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This is all the Sohst material except the worker's handbook in which the pieces had been placed inside an envelope from an electrical company in Prag. I am posting the handbook.
There was an extensive file on Sohst in the Berlin Document Center, and recently declassified CIA files on him in the U.S. National archives. It is an interesting story of how he survived the war, prison and returned to Germany in 1955. I was fortunate to acquire the grouping and I did the research on him.
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Don, very interesting grouping! Perhaps we'll see more in a future publication?
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Below is a portion of a rather extensive paper/photo grouping attributed to Major d. Schutzpolizei Wilhelm Kleibaum. in the grouping, there are 5 photo albums with approximately 1,500 photos that closely follow his career. I was also fortunate enough to obtain his promotion and award documents, his medals w/cases, ribbon bars and his dog tag.
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Schutzpolizei Wilhelmshaven
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Dave : Nice bunch of documents to one guy .
Can you please post the interior of the 'Reiter 'badge document , since I have never seen one . Thanks , Bernd .
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Dave : Here one more reason to see the inside of the 'Reiter ' paper : I just got these 2 documents all the way from Australia , concerning a 'Hauptwachtmeister" Jakob Weber who also had the 'Reiterabzeichen in Bronze '.
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Page 5: Shows him having the following awards :
Riderbadge III class in bronze.
Lifesaving DLRG.
Reichssportsbadge -5/1.30
SA Sportsbadge 26/3.37e
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Page 7 : Shows his party membership .
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Page 8 : Shows his military service as with the Landespolizei Koeln as Oberwachtmeister for 2 1/2 years .
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Page 9 : shows he entered the police service on 7.4.30 and his promotions are listed .
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Page 10 : This section shows his training as a rider and taking care of the horses for 2 years!
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Page 12 : Here a more interesting part :His work in the "Kraftfahrstaffel for Verk.-Unfall Bereitschaft " for 2 1/2 years ; meaning traffic accident response cars .
AND his training , later stated on page 28 as 'Shooting Instructor-Training ',at the 'Pol. Waffenschule III- 7.Komp.-Den Haag "
By-the-way , the same school my Dad , Oblt . Heinz Ostermann , went for Pol. Company leader training !
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Page 13 : This shows him being sent to Serbia just after he finished this training : to the 10.Pol. Volunteer Rgt.3- Serbia .
--- And again the same happened to my Dad , after his training in Den Haag , he was sent to the Pol. Volunteer Battalion 8 - Croatia .
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Page 15 : This verifies his relocation to SERBIA :'Bekaempfung der Bandenbe(we)gung im Suedraum in Serbien ' , meaning : 'Fight against the partisan- movement in southern Serbia .
Since there are NO other service time entries , one has to assume he did not make it back home !
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Page 16 : Shows some medical treatment .
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Page 18 : Medical shots .
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AND Page 19 : Award of the 8 years POLICE SERVICE MEDAL .
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Now I also got his DIENSTAUSWEIS , BUT HIS PHOTO IS GONE !
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..and the inside with many signatures and cancels .
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..and an other .
I hope hope you liked these documents to Polizei Hauptwachtmeister Jakob Weber ,--
I had never seen a pass that was so detailed.
Bernd .
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Bernd, that Weber grouping turned out to be a sweet deal. That's really to bad the picture is missing...I always like to see them but otherwise some interesting time in service.
I'll work on pulling that Reiter document to picture. It's stashed away somewhere!
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Polizei Dienstpass,Polizel Dienstausweiss,and Police Union membership booket. Also he was awarded the Iron Cross 2nd class in Aug.1943 and Luftschutz-Ehrenzeichnen 2nd class in Jan.1944
p5.jpg (33.98 KB, 80 downloads) Polizei Dienstausweiss p2.jpg (14.05 KB, 78 downloads) Polizei Diestpass p4.jpg (21.93 KB, 80 downloads) Police Union Membership booket p3.jpg (28.76 KB, 78 downloads) His 2 awards
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