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06/23/2008 07:13 PM
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..and a close-up of Leonhard.
I wonder where I have seen that style of mustach on a man ??
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#56295
06/23/2008 07:14 PM
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06/23/2008 07:18 PM
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..and close-up of the cancel and signature of Hauptmann L.Katzenberger .
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#56297
06/23/2008 07:19 PM
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2nd inside page shows that the pass was good through 1944 .
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#56298
06/23/2008 07:24 PM
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.And now a Hilfs-Polizei Ausweis to Bruno Lorenz , a Harness maker or leather worker , like shoes .
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06/23/2008 07:28 PM
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Backside of the pass shows it was issued in Berlin , Schutzpolizei -Abschnittskommando of the district of Berlin- Wedding .
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06/23/2008 07:29 PM
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...and close-up of the Major's signature and ink cancel.
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#56301
06/29/2008 04:09 AM
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Bernd, excellent pictures and ID's!!! Also some new material that I've not seen before! It's really enjoyable seeing what others have been so fortunate to have found. Thanks for sharing!
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#56302
06/29/2008 02:06 PM
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Erich Goerke Gestapo Id card and Wehrpass
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#56303
06/29/2008 02:11 PM
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#56304
06/29/2008 02:20 PM
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Three original sets of Gestapo and State Kripo ID
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#56305
06/30/2008 03:50 AM
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Don, those postings are absolutely the best! Since I'm somewhat of a document collector, I have to say those Dienstausweis are amazing and that uniform picture on Sohst's example is WOW! I need to find one someday!!! Such stunning & rare material! Thanks for sharing!
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#56306
06/30/2008 10:58 AM
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Thanks Dave. Here are two other cards for Sohst.
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#56307
06/30/2008 10:59 AM
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#56308
06/30/2008 12:30 PM
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Don, now that is amazing, three cards for the same individual!!! How rare is that?? Have you seen many sets of ID's for the same individual? Were they issued annually? Those are fantastic and thanks for sharing!
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#56309
06/30/2008 03:39 PM
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Dave, All Gestapo and Kripo Dienstausweise are very rare. These multiple cards to one person should never have existed as it was against Himmler's regulations for an officer to keep a no longer valid police ID card for the Kripo or Gestapo. They were supposed to be turned in to be destroyed. I think the combination of the fact that Walter Sohst was a high ranking officer and that he had been in three different sections of the non-uniformed police (Gestapo) (Gestapo training instructor) and (State Kripo) and was in different locations made it possible for him to keep all three cards. The cards were found hidden with his moth-eaten shoulder boards and two 1945 tram tickets, hidden in a false wall of what was probably his former office in the Skoda Werke headquarters building, when it was being remodled for a Prague City office building. Sohst, having health problems and being a trained engineer, was transferred to the Skoda munitions operation, taking him out of Germany into the Protektorate. Full color pictures and the story of this discovery can be found in the September/October issue of "THE ARMOURER", a British militaria collectors magazine. Back issues can be ordered at [email protected]
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#56310
06/30/2008 03:51 PM
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Walter Sohst spent ten years as a prisoner in Czech prisons from 1945 to 1955. These are his hidden shoulderboards.
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#56311
07/01/2008 04:40 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Don Bible: Dave, All Gestapo and Kripo Dienstausweise are very rare. These multiple cards to one person should never have existed as it was against Himmler's regulations for an officer to keep a no longer valid police ID card for the Kripo or Gestapo. They were supposed to be turned in to be destroyed. I think the combination of the fact that Walter Sohst was a high ranking officer and that he had been in three different sections of the non-uniformed police (Gestapo) (Gestapo training instructor) and (State Kripo) and was in different locations made it possible for him to keep all three cards. The cards were found hidden with his moth-eaten shoulder boards and two 1945 tram tickets, hidden in a false wall of what was probably his former office in the Skoda Werke headquarters building, when it was being remodled for a Prague City office building. Sohst, having health problems and being a trained engineer, was transferred to the Skoda munitions operation, taking him out of Germany into the Protektorate. Full color pictures and the story of this discovery can be found in the September/October issue of "THE ARMOURER", a British militaria collectors magazine. Back issues can be ordered at [email protected]
Hi Don, Many thanks for the additional information and most intriguing story! What a fortunate and likely one-of-a-kind find! Are all of Sohst's effect shown now in your possession? Those shoulder straps are really something! Now I'll have to go order a back issue to read the full story since you got my interests peaked here! Nothing like these sort of story's to get the collecting blood flowing!
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#56312
07/01/2008 11:00 AM
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This is all the Sohst material except the worker's handbook in which the pieces had been placed inside an envelope from an electrical company in Prag. I am posting the handbook.
There was an extensive file on Sohst in the Berlin Document Center, and recently declassified CIA files on him in the U.S. National archives. It is an interesting story of how he survived the war, prison and returned to Germany in 1955. I was fortunate to acquire the grouping and I did the research on him.
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#56313
07/06/2008 04:36 AM
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Don, very interesting grouping! Perhaps we'll see more in a future publication?
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#56314
07/06/2008 04:46 AM
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Below is a portion of a rather extensive paper/photo grouping attributed to Major d. Schutzpolizei Wilhelm Kleibaum. in the grouping, there are 5 photo albums with approximately 1,500 photos that closely follow his career. I was also fortunate enough to obtain his promotion and award documents, his medals w/cases, ribbon bars and his dog tag.
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#56315
07/30/2008 01:06 PM
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07/30/2008 01:07 PM
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Schutzpolizei Wilhelmshaven
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#56317
08/28/2008 11:50 PM
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Dave : Nice bunch of documents to one guy .
Can you please post the interior of the 'Reiter 'badge document , since I have never seen one . Thanks , Bernd .
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#56318
08/29/2008 07:07 PM
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Dave : Here one more reason to see the inside of the 'Reiter ' paper : I just got these 2 documents all the way from Australia , concerning a 'Hauptwachtmeister" Jakob Weber who also had the 'Reiterabzeichen in Bronze '.
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08/29/2008 07:09 PM
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08/29/2008 07:17 PM
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Page 5: Shows him having the following awards :
Riderbadge III class in bronze.
Lifesaving DLRG.
Reichssportsbadge -5/1.30
SA Sportsbadge 26/3.37e
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#56321
08/29/2008 07:20 PM
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Page 7 : Shows his party membership .
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08/29/2008 07:25 PM
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Page 8 : Shows his military service as with the Landespolizei Koeln as Oberwachtmeister for 2 1/2 years .
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08/29/2008 07:27 PM
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Page 9 : shows he entered the police service on 7.4.30 and his promotions are listed .
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08/29/2008 07:30 PM
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Page 10 : This section shows his training as a rider and taking care of the horses for 2 years!
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08/29/2008 07:44 PM
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Page 12 : Here a more interesting part :His work in the "Kraftfahrstaffel for Verk.-Unfall Bereitschaft " for 2 1/2 years ; meaning traffic accident response cars .
AND his training , later stated on page 28 as 'Shooting Instructor-Training ',at the 'Pol. Waffenschule III- 7.Komp.-Den Haag "
By-the-way , the same school my Dad , Oblt . Heinz Ostermann , went for Pol. Company leader training !
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08/29/2008 07:56 PM
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Page 13 : This shows him being sent to Serbia just after he finished this training : to the 10.Pol. Volunteer Rgt.3- Serbia .
--- And again the same happened to my Dad , after his training in Den Haag , he was sent to the Pol. Volunteer Battalion 8 - Croatia .
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08/29/2008 08:04 PM
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Page 15 : This verifies his relocation to SERBIA :'Bekaempfung der Bandenbe(we)gung im Suedraum in Serbien ' , meaning : 'Fight against the partisan- movement in southern Serbia .
Since there are NO other service time entries , one has to assume he did not make it back home !
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08/29/2008 08:12 PM
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Page 16 : Shows some medical treatment .
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08/29/2008 08:13 PM
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Page 18 : Medical shots .
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AND Page 19 : Award of the 8 years POLICE SERVICE MEDAL .
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08/29/2008 08:20 PM
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Now I also got his DIENSTAUSWEIS , BUT HIS PHOTO IS GONE !
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08/29/2008 08:22 PM
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..and the inside with many signatures and cancels .
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08/29/2008 08:24 PM
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