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#55054 10/16/2006 03:53 AM
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What should be the difference in value between a full and name only ground Rohm of equal condition? In my opinion, the name only carries a historical value with it. The full Rohm is rare because it escaped unground. I'm thinking that a name only should be worth at least 25-35% of a full Rohm. Opinions?

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I think your estimate is pretty good as to the value.

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#55056 10/16/2006 01:33 PM
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I recently sold a name only SS Rohm, with the Rohm name clearly still visible but somewhat ground for about $12,000.00. It was a Boker.

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I always regret selling the nice ones like that. Wink

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That is an unbeleivable price to get for a SS Ground Rohm Dagger. Even if it showed only mild grinding to name it was still considered a Ground Rohms The most I have ever sold one of this type of dagger for is $4600 and it was exceptional. Maybe I'm missing something here?

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Gailen.......Just Curious. When was the last time you were able to buy one for under 4600 and still have any room for markup as a dealer..........Best Jimmy

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Maybe in the last year.

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#55060 10/16/2006 05:11 PM
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Eek Big Grin


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#55061 10/16/2006 05:24 PM
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Well Gailen, it was the one you sold to Bill Rice many years ago. It almost was a full SS Rohm, do you remember it?

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#55062 10/16/2006 05:47 PM
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So guys... are you saying that these 2 name only Rohms are worth about $1700.00 each?

First one is EP&S

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... and this Anton Wingen Jr

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#55066 10/16/2006 06:10 PM
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I've seen partial Rohm as high as $ 2500 USD in E++/NM condition.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pat:
I've seen partial Rohm as high as $ 2500 USD in E++/NM condition.


Really... wow!!!

If I could get that much for the 2 above, then I would have made, (if I've done my calculations correctly), a 280% profit in about 9 months. Eek Eek Eek

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I think we are refering to SS Rohms and not SA Rohms.

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#55069 10/16/2006 09:19 PM
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Really? Surely an SS name only Rohm in E++/NM condition is worth a lot more than $2500.00?

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sdp: You are absolutely correct, they are.

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#55071 10/16/2006 09:33 PM
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So we are talking SA name only Rohms then?

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I was quoting a price on SA's partial Rohms.
There are couple of them for sell on Johnson, Brian Madearr=er and Lakeside's web site and they range from $ 1500 for an E/E+ to $ 2500 for an E++/NM condition.

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Then my 2 can't be too far off the pace then?

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I would think that $ 1500 each wouldn't be too far off if they are in E+ condition.

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An SA Rohm with name only ground and in excellent++ condition is worth $1800 to $2400.

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Smile Smile well you guys just made my day Smile Smile

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Just had help from a friend who's a wizz with maths... based on today's value of $1500.00, my 2 daggers above have increased in value by 71.43% in about 9 months.

I can't think of where you would get a better return than that... that is of course, you were only in it for the money.

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sdp... you gotta find a buyer before you realize a return. Smile

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Granted but even if I halved the increase for a sale, there's no denying that it's a pretty good return against most things you can invest your money in.

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I paid 1200$ for my Exc plus plus a few months ago and it was an Eickhorn early one. SA name only Rohm

#55081 10/17/2006 01:04 PM
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Did you see there is one now on E bay full name Rohm SS? any thoughts on it?

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Did you see there is one now on E bay full name Rohm SS? any thoughts on it?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&ss...0037093263&rd=1&rd=1

If I could afford it, I'd buy it.

Shame about the grip though.

#55083 10/18/2006 12:20 AM
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It looks okay, as far as authenticity. The condition is pretty bad, although I have seen worse blades. As the ad notes, he advertised it some time ago on eBay and the bidding went quite high. Perhaps too high, considering the condition. The reserve was not reached. Nobody's going to "steal" this one. Unless I miss my guess, he wants something near what one in much nicer condition would go for.

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That one, in my opinion, is a prime example of how not to buy a dagger. It may be good, but it's heavily damaged and you get what you pay for. It will always have a 'story' behind it.

The one that I owned and sold was obviously nowhere like that one.

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#55085 10/18/2006 08:11 AM
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The thing is... it's real and if you want one and aren't loaded with cash, at least this one might be in financial reach.

Most of the money is in the blade, yes it's not the best but it's not the worst either.

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Though I don't have a partial Rohm dagger in my collection, I still find them extremely desirable.
I would actually love to have both types, partial ground and full complete Rohm.
You have to remember that a partial ground Rohm is also an important "piece of history".
All SA's had to get their blade fixed after the "Nights of the Long Knife" and the assassination of Rohm in 1934.
The killing of Rohm is probabbly one of the most important event that ever happened during the Third Reich era. It is an extremely dramatic and important part of history, which makes these partial ground Rohm so much interesting and existing to own.
I want one as I've just convinced myself that it is missing from my collection. Wink

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I agree with Pat (and perhaps go 1 step further) in that I personally see more history in a partial groun Rohm than a full Rohm. The inscription is historical, but the reason for the name being ground off is all the more fascinating.
If full and partial rohms were the same price and I could only have one or the other, I think I would chose the partial. There is a long and amazing story behind that missing name.
I have seen partial Rohm's like those posted in this thread selling for $1,400.00 with the dealers. I think they are a very good investment piece, often overlooked in the past as people scrambled for full Rohms. I think that the appeal of the partials has been recently growing.


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I note that the $1500 partial SA Rohms on dealers websites are being sold & replaced with $2000 partial Rohms - investment or passing fad? I think they are still a good value at that price. Hope they don't triple in a couple years like Railway eagles. Then there might be incentive to start faking name only Rohms.

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Then there might be incentive to start faking name only Rohms.


They've been doing that for many years already young man.

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Well the higher the price the more incentive to fake, Of course they can't fool the experts so I wonder why they bother...

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The price that I realized for the partial ground SS Rohm is somewhat indictive of non-advertised items that trade between knowledgeable collectors. Several members were correct in that the partial name only may have more value than the untouched SS Rohm due to the history of the actual event. I have often maintained that the very best stuff never is advertised at all to the general public. Good dealers know who collects what and a contact is made. I may have 'overpaid' in some fellow collectors opinions on some items I have, but the end result is that I do own them now and they did not get away. It's really true when they say "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

Collect what you like to see and enjoy it while you can. One day it will all be in someone elses collection.

Also, in the past I have taken a home equity loan to aquire a piece or part of a nice collection. If you know your stuff, REALLY KNOW IT...it's one of the best ways to aquire high end stuff that appreciates. I was a lot younger then and would not do it again, but then again...if Heydrich's uniform came available with bulletproof provenance...well, back in the fray I would be! Big Grin

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Very interesting discussion.
I really believe that you have to have a good look at the remaining inscription on these partial Rohms.
In particular the amount of etch remaining to Rohm's name. If the entire inscription is intact AND portions of the name that greatly increases desirability.
Personally, if you put value aside, I would rather a partial with part of the name intact over a full Rohm. Truly this tells a story and speaks to the period.
BTW Mark you are absolutely correct. Many of these very desirable pieces never see dealer sites.
Relationships are very important in this hobby.

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Glad to hear your partial SS Rohm brought you $12K. I guess that means my Full should do at least as well or better.

In the short time I have been reading and researching these daggers, the prices have gone up noticeably. I am confident they will continue to increase.

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