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#53919 09/22/2006 12:00 PM
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Hello guys! What do you think about this eagle?
Is it original, or not?
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#53924 09/22/2006 12:02 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Viktor 7:
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#53925 09/22/2006 03:20 PM
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Have you done a black light test on it and a burn test on the threads ?

Paul

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quote:
Originally posted by paulbear:
Have you done a black light test on it and a burn test on the threads ?

Paul


The test is passed - does not fluoresce.

#53927 09/22/2006 09:02 PM
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If it is a repro it is a good one . I like the look of it.

Paul

#53928 09/23/2006 07:27 PM
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That is from 100 % confidence it is impossible to tell, what it is the original, or a copy?
Where it is possible to see the similar original, for comparison?
Thanks!

#53929 09/23/2006 07:30 PM
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There is no way one would post a pic of a real one for the fakers to feast on Mad

#53930 09/23/2006 07:48 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by paulbear:
There is no way one would post a pic of a real one for the fakers to feast on Mad


Many thanks for consultation Paul !
In that case I shall refuse this purchase.

#53931 09/24/2006 01:54 AM
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Repro

#53932 09/24/2006 06:57 PM
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Thanks all for discussion!
It is returned to the seller.

#53933 09/25/2006 09:07 PM
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Mr. Hritz can settle this, he has an original on a tunic.

#53934 09/25/2006 09:27 PM
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BETTER he not post it but compare and give a verdict on this rare badge

PAUL

#53935 09/25/2006 10:47 PM
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Dave T., Paul

If you think this is a repro, you need to tell us why. It is very discouraging for a poster to get a negative comment without any explanation, so please elaborate.

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Dave

#53936 09/25/2006 11:32 PM
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Dave if you want to push the issue this is one instance due to the geography that details I think would be used for the wrong purposes also one of those situations where the post should have left alone I guess arn't you suspicious?

#53937 09/25/2006 11:52 PM
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Paul,

I am not suspicious at all. I am reading from the Code of Conduct and thinking of the many emails that I get from members annoyed with the response "Fake" and, if questioned "I can't tell you why because then the fakers would know".

If you are not willing to explain why something is wrong, then you should communicate privately. That why the code says:

....If you think someone�s artifact is not correct or your opinion differs from theirs, be sure to explain why .....

I understand that there are genuine concerns and if you don't want to reveal all the points, that is fine, but an answer of "Fake" in not accepatble.

Dave

#53938 09/26/2006 02:34 AM
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I never gave such an answer so direct it an where it needs to go

#53939 09/26/2006 04:22 AM
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Dave Hohaus...Viktor7 asked "Original or Not?".Well since I have never seen a period photo of one in wear(I am not aware of anyone else who has either)I am not sure there are any photos of an actual example published(in print or electronically).Therefore it cannot reasonablly be compared with an original example.There arehowever numerous examples of the reproductions that this piece may be compared with.This example compares quite favorably with the reproductions.Here is a start SOLDAT.COM .There are many other sites and examples to be found on the net.Viktor7 shall have to take the initiative upon himself to go from there and arm himself with knowledge.In the meantime he asked for a cut and dry answer.I gave him one.....I dont always have time to sit here and compose a thesis.Could I be wrong?....Sure but I dont see anyone jumping in to correct me if I am.Unfortunetly...I dont see anyone offering help at all Confused

#53940 09/26/2006 05:11 AM
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Here's my take on it ..and mind you I've never owned one of these but ..here's what I see.
To me , it looks like the oval background fabric is older than the embroidered Eagle ..look at how the Oval is in some places ..threadbare ..you can see the crosshatch showing through in places. But look at the condition of the thread of the Eagle ..I don't see any wear or fading , nothing.
Maybe when you machine embroider on an older piece of fabric ...the fabric warps & distorts and pulls a little creating that puckering effect ..but , why would you have to glue a paper backing on a patch like this ? It's not Bullion. Was the paper meant to keep it flat? And the paper is in rough shape ..maybe from water ? If it was from age ..I think that Eagle wouldn't be a crisp as that.
The thread also looks thicker than what I'd expect ..it almost makes the leaves look puffy like the Paki Patches we've see around.
To Buy or not to Buy ...that is the question.
(I've heard that someplace before Confused)

#53941 09/26/2006 02:05 PM
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Bob Hritz and John Donovan have both shown the ones they own on WA. Just do a search and you can see them. So for fakers, originals have been posted many times.
Steve

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I found Bob's and ..I don't think they match , the center of the acorn looks right (it's thin).
Compare the size & shape of the Eagle's head though..The one shown on this thread looks a lot thinner. I can't zoom in on Bob's to compare fine details ..so , I think Bob could be the one to give a better opinion between the 2 since he has it in hand.
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t...ghlight=hritz+sniper

#53943 09/26/2006 05:03 PM
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Friends, thanks for attention to my theme.
I perceive all your answers in a theme normally, to me any opinions are important. If discussion has proceeded, please, show original Sniper ` s badge, for comparison. It is very important to me to establish true, and to understand this question. I doubt, that who that, can make a copy, from original photo Cloth badge, your fears are vain. I expose the same on the Internet of a photo of rare subjects from the collection, and I am not afraid, that who that can reproduce from them copies which would not differ from the original. I consider, that it is not possible.
Many thanks. Yours faithfully, Victor.

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quote:
Originally posted by mike peters:
I found Bob's and ..I don't think they match , the center of the acorn looks right (it's thin).
Compare the size & shape of the Eagle's head though..The one shown on this thread looks a lot thinner. I can't zoom in on Bob's to compare fine details ..so , I think Bob could be the one to give a better opinion between the 2 since he has it in hand.
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t...ghlight=hritz+sniper


Unfortunately, I am not registered at this forum, and I can not look through a photo.. Roll Eyes

#53945 09/26/2006 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by Dave T.:
Dave Hohaus...Viktor7 asked "Original or Not?".Well since I have never seen a period photo of one in wear(I am not aware of anyone else who has either)I am not sure there are any photos of an actual example published(in print or electronically).Therefore it cannot reasonablly be compared with an original example.There arehowever numerous examples of the reproductions that this piece may be compared with.This example compares quite favorably with the reproductions.Here is a start SOLDAT.COM .There are many other sites and examples to be found on the net.Viktor7 shall have to take the initiative upon himself to go from there and arm himself with knowledge.In the meantime he asked for a cut and dry answer.I gave him one.....I dont always have time to sit here and compose a thesis.Could I be wrong?....Sure but I dont see anyone jumping in to correct me if I am.Unfortunetly...I dont see anyone offering help at all Confused

Photos with SOLDAT.COM, mismatch with mine Cloth badge. Wink Very rough work. Smile

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#53946 09/26/2006 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by mike peters:
Here's my take on it ..and mind you I've never owned one of these but ..here's what I see.
To me , it looks like the oval background fabric is older than the embroidered Eagle ..look at how the Oval is in some places ..threadbare ..you can see the crosshatch showing through in places. But look at the condition of the thread of the Eagle ..I don't see any wear or fading , nothing.
Maybe when you machine embroider on an older piece of fabric ...the fabric warps & distorts and pulls a little creating that puckering effect ..but , why would you have to glue a paper backing on a patch like this ? It's not Bullion. Was the paper meant to keep it flat? And the paper is in rough shape ..maybe from water ? If it was from age ..I think that Eagle wouldn't be a crisp as that.
The thread also looks thicker than what I'd expect ..it almost makes the leaves look puffy like the Paki Patches we've see around.
To Buy or not to Buy ...that is the question.
(I've heard that someplace before Confused)

Thread and a material, are in an identical condition. The fabric was deformed that has been sewn on a sleeve, it explains also a bad condition of a paper on a reverser. The good condition of strings speaks that badge sniper ` s have entered this only per 1944, and war has ended in 1945. Cool

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Hello Viktor,Yes those pics do not look like yours...they only resemble in some features....yours also resembles a more common repro that can be found on many other sites...but yours also has features that deviate from those.The example you posted looked more like a hybrid.I have had a repro sniper badge...it had many of the same features of yours...Field grey wool backing...thick raised embroidery....same colors.Not identical though....there are alot out there.The pics you posted from Soldat have been up for a while...and I believe they are made to order....not exactly mass produced and "in stock".I have also never seen the pics posted on the site mentioned(I think I joined but could never log in)...I would be interested in seeing those.But irregardless....this type of item...without "rock-hard" provenance means nothing to me personnally.


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