#50292
03/26/2006 09:03 PM
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#50293
03/26/2006 10:59 PM
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Looks like a weyersberg crossguard - never saw hand work like this before unusual to say the least.
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#50294
03/27/2006 01:17 AM
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Tom
Pommel is Frozen on...never been apart.
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#50295
04/05/2006 11:22 PM
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Tom,
I like it.
Looks very similar to my very early brass based Klaas army that is also hand tooled and lumpy like yours.
I agree with Tom K that the crossguard may have been based on an early WKC pattern with the eagle looking a bit to the front on an oblique angle.
For what it's worth.
Tony
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#50296
04/07/2006 12:55 AM
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That is a very unusual army Tom. I agree it has the initial WKC crossguard (also used by Weyersberg). I have never seen a WKC guard enhanced in that manner. I would sure like to know if WKC was making guards before Pack. If so, and the dagger was mine, I would be thinking that Pack bought fittings from WKC before they started producing their own. Per Tom Wittmann, that kind of thing was not uncommon in the very early days. In any case, the dagger is unique and very beautiful.
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#50297
04/10/2007 11:21 AM
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I just purchased the twin of Tom's dagger. It is Pack also.
Tom,
do you still have the dagger or already have sold it?
I would be very interesting to compare them.
Janos
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04/10/2007 12:04 PM
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#50299
04/10/2007 12:06 PM
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#50300
04/11/2007 11:01 PM
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A better picture of the crossguard.
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#50301
04/14/2007 08:40 PM
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Wow Janos: What a beauty.... Looks like we have an as yet undocumented Pack variation. When you see a unique variation you think, I wonder if that is real or the result of a garage experiment. When you see the same variation from 2 different sources, you have to think this is a legitimate variation - one that is beyond rare. The cool thing about your dagger is that we know Pack enhanced their crossguards in a manner similar to yours - and Tom's. I have always believed the hand enhanced ones are the earlier versions. Perhaps these really are Pre-Pack crossguard production - crossguards purchased by Pack from WKC - before they made their own. Many believe that the earlier Pack armies had the trademark placed further down on the blade.... These daggers offer a lot to think about. The scabbard screws on both daggers appear to be Pack as well. You really have my interest going here. Can we see a closeup of the pommel?
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#50302
04/14/2007 09:18 PM
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Wow I love it!!
You guys are in uncharted territory!
Congrats
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#50303
04/14/2007 11:07 PM
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Hello Ford Crews, nice to see you here again!
Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
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#50304
04/15/2007 09:04 AM
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Ford,
Thank you for your comment. Here is a closeup of the pommel.
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#50305
04/15/2007 09:55 AM
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#50306
04/15/2007 10:00 AM
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#50307
04/15/2007 09:07 PM
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Well those little dots tapped into the top of the pommel scream Pack.
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#50308
12/18/2009 12:07 AM
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Look what I have found on a European website! I have only the photo, the auction was over when I noticed it.  They are still lurking out there... Janos
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#50309
12/18/2009 07:33 AM
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Janos please could u tell me the address of that european website....
In the meantime,
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you guys.
M
Joelabrendola - The RETIRED Doctor (on mountain)
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#50310
12/21/2009 10:39 AM
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Awesome! Still out there but very few and far between.
War is when your government tells you who the enemy is.
Revolution is when you figure it out for yourself.
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#50311
12/30/2009 05:08 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Janos: Look what I have found on a European website! I have only the photo, the auction was over when I noticed it. They are still lurking out there... Janos
janos sweet dagger what did this sell for?
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#50312
12/30/2009 03:44 PM
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LOVE these daggers by Pack, Engraver must have had too much coffee before he worked on these!  Just have to admire all the hand work! Also like to hear what she went for?
It's ALL in the DETAILS!!.......
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#50313
01/02/2010 01:28 PM
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It was a Buy it now auction on a Hungarian website. The price was approx 650 USD.
Janos
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#50314
01/02/2010 05:20 PM
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Heye guys,
What is interesting about the Pack from the Hungarian website, is that it looks to me like the later WKC hatchet beak crossguard?? Did Pack still purchase cross guards from WKC when they switched to this type of cross guard? Very interesting to say the least!
Dion
Even the Gods are helpless against stupidity!
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#50315
01/02/2010 06:10 PM
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Dion now if that is a WKC hatchet beak and it looks like it is something does not add up-that crossguard coupled with a slant grip?
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#50316
01/12/2010 01:25 AM
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I'n not sure exactly what the crossguard Janos references is, but I'm fairly sure it is not based on the Hatched Beaked type. The top of the head is too far below the top of the crossguard for that.
At a glance, I believe it may in fact be another early WKC example. The head is in the right position, and the left shoulder on the early WKC birds is higher than the right shoulder (as you face the guard). The guard on the dagger Janos presented also has a higher left shoulder. There seem to be too many leg feathers, but I cannot find another guard that fits better.
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