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Hahaha!
Yes - some sulfur makes nearly any metall old


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Gaspare and Odal, indeed with some ingredients you can make all colors of the rainbow.

A problem in general is that if you mention everything you see why a ring is good or bad (Imo), you help the collectors and the fakers.
Still....the one who love rings, the collectors! , will take more time and have more love and feeling for it , will see the
difference. If not.... the price will help you to watch out. Smile



Here a ring from a private dealer, who mentions that it is a repro.

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you are right benten - sorry :-(


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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guys another to watch out for.. this one pretty good.
This is a fake. A friend in CA. bough it a couple weeks ago. As soon as he bought it the same seller put another on auction. It appears he has a few! wink
My friend who knows his antique jewelry knew it was fake as soon as it was in his hand. It has the usual problems, incorrect manufacture, poor cast, pitting and faults all over it,etc.
Be careful out there guys!

And please, any real good fakes feel free to add on here!

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WARNING!
Here is a dam good fake. This seller is very smart and usually only lets one go at a time, holds back then releases again on a different venue.
Photos are bad but good enough to put in your files for ID.

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Gaspare BINGO....You are 100% right......
I've asked this seller often for more info and pics... he never was there and I would get them later... as his emloye stated. I Never got any info or extra pics.!!!

So, I followed his announcements for rings "I got interested".

He has an own jewelers workplace ....and sometimes he let us know that he makes new rings,replicas, ...but often NOT. ;Imo certainly not too bad made... so be here warned for the "real ones" as Gaspare already mentioned.

How does it feel to sell something that is not OK???...I even do not want to know. For me it is NOT right.

Here is theoriginal announcement copied from ebay from the ring picted above...
" *Raritt ! antiker Wstenkrieg Tunis Ring Palme Unikat".......... so "old and rare"..... mad sick cool ( here I need all colors of the icons...)






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is this a two piece ring ?

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Well, some are, some aren't but have the look.

The 1st gen. copies were 2 piece. Then someone made a copy of it and now there are also 1 piece copies!

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NEW copy for 2011,,for me this is the first time I've seen a copy of this rare ring! It's done pretty good so be extreamly careful!!

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Should this ring be a kind of "Saardank"-ring?


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Yes, the SAARDANK ring,,awarded in a sliver and gold .. No exact details other than knowing for sure there were official award documents. All my research has turned up is that the rings could have been awared to civilians who donated large amounts of money to the 3rd reich on re claiming the Saar..

This is the first copy I've ever seen of the ring...

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Yes, my first view of a copy of this pattern too.

It looks for me as it is an eastern european work and i think i know the atelier? where this ring come from.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Well these are now being test offered on CZ Rep auctions....

Hard to say exactly where the fakes come from.. I remember in the early /mid 1990's,,,there were many very good fakes appearing in Ukraine. But they were being made in Latvia, brought by train into Ukraine and spread to the dishonest dealers and diggers!

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Here another fake.... But placed in a beautiful box.

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Ring bad, original box very good laugh

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interesting is the stamped in looking 800 content!. And 'engraving' done with a toothpick on the wax. laugh.

Box IS an oldie, very desirable for a jewelry collector..

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Yes G., how much should one give for the box.......

Here the ebay link....still running...
http://cgi.ebay.com/WW-II-German-Skull-T...=item231156a224

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The box is fancy,,probably for either a wedding ring or engagement ring.. [assuming the box top is not damaged.]. .
I could see a collector that really wanting it paying $50 to $100 for it..

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heres a really good fake..With some aging work or ground dug appearance it might be a hard tell from photos..
Be careful!

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Here's another ebay ring...is this one fake as well? Seems like the price is too low for "ultra rare", and no one's bought it yet.

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ULTRA-RARE-ELITE-HON...=item3a6909c5d5>


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Looks like an original TK was actually posted on ebay (woodwork):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120759946835&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT


Bit pricey (from my very limited experience) for condition unless gambling on a good name

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I'm always suspicious when there is wear like that in the inner band.. Would have been good to see some nice photos..

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here's another very good fake,,with a twist! They made a copy of a worn/defaced ring.. We have seen this ring before..

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another very good fake of a hard to get pattern..

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Here an other dagerous fake!
In the moment in thisauction - for selling as a fake.
Be careful in this pattern!

http://www.militaria321.com/auktion/5995356/Ring-Flugzeugf%C3%BChrer-Offiziere-mit-Silberstemplung-%22800%22

And here the pics from theauction:

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Gaspare,these photos are from a recent auction, unfortunately pics of the back and inside were not included. You expressed your doubts about this ring but it has some good qualities compared to the ring that started this thread. Is it an early reproduction?

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dr. ,,,Still too hard to say from the photos,,they do some magnificent work with fake aging and ground dug look..


unless you know the seller and they have a good return policy,
- When in doubt leave it out-

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Currently on Ebay are these rings, this seller is making the finest 'super-fakes' to date IMO.

This one is a well known pattern, usually brass with silver wash, never stamped?, skull affixed to band seperate with rivet. This one is solid silver with tanning, has had the skull soldered on, and the stamp is poor on the outside of the band.





http://www.ebay.com/itm/STALINGRAD-RELIC...=item3a6f35cc3c


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want to show a real nearly "super" made fake.
Take care of this one:

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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A SuperFake that's super dangerous!..

Many beginning ring collectors will be fooled by this one.. IF your not sure about any 3rd reich ring / jewelry please always ask here.
We have a great international bunch of jewelry collectors here that are always willing to help so ask!

Odal, thanks for investigating and posting!

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In the moment there is again a dangerous fake around.
Made from, i think so, a brass-alloy
Be careful!

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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very old pattern band,, newer skull,,in brass,, superfake is right,,,dangerous..

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Someone is really trying! Who do you think is doing this and from where? Thanks for sharing this odal.

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Had a report a few years ago from a friend in Russia that the East Europeans are starting to make them in brass.
Mainly for 2 reasons,,one, the rising price of silver, two, info they read here! By now other countries are following their lead..

ALL the forum sites are the best intel for counterfeiters there is!
We all work hard and sometimes don't always post the best of photos and occasionally hold back a small tidbit..

Dagger guys have their subject area down pretty good,, the medal & badge guys I really feel sorry for,,,and SS cloth,,no hope for the beginner collector anymore... But we're all still here and around. Its a good safe interesting hobby, just do some research, take a min. before you jump, and use your common sense..

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Gtz, you have a pm.

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Gaspare,

Truer words have never been spoken ...

"Dagger guys have their subject area down pretty good,, the medal & badge guys I really feel sorry for,,,and SS cloth,,no hope for the beginner collector anymore... But we're all still here and around. Its a good safe interesting hobby, just do some research, take a min. before you jump, and use your common sense.."

... and they can't be repeated too often!

Best!

Bill

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Take a look on this ring grin
Now aviable in silver

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Ring-mit-Totenkop...=item484645a3e6

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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, when it rains it pours! ha ha..

Here it is in its bad ******** glory:

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Great info and pics Gentlemen.however,it still makes my stomach hurt.On that note I shall have a beer to calm my nerves!

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Found a fake of this known pattern. It is sold as fake. Of course we see pock marks all over the ring. The blackening also is not really the correct type. But - with a little polishing and aging, this ring would be a hard to handle fake. The sides, the leaves, the knobs are correct, the backside looks like on the original rings......
That makes my stomach hurt a lot....

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