#46717
11/20/2009 01:23 AM
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hi all,,just acquired this last weekend,,Bezirk 28,,any one collect these and what value should i assign it?,,thanks,Robert
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#46718
11/20/2009 09:42 AM
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I've had a few over the years, but cloth rarely sticks to my collection display. It is a nice looking design. I would say $30 low $50 high for this.
Regards
Doug
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#46719
11/20/2009 01:13 PM
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#46720
11/20/2009 08:40 PM
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Want to ad my RAD female sleeve insignia to this . What was this one for ??
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#46721
11/20/2009 08:42 PM
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It is of silver bullion thread ; which would indicate leadership to me .
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#46722
11/20/2009 08:59 PM
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LS4 stand for RAD Lager school 4.
I know these, as most anything else, are heavily faked, and alot of guys are completely jaded on them. I am not qualified to offer an opinion on the examples posted here.
Doug
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#46723
11/21/2009 08:19 PM
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I believe both are copies due to the material from the front
PAUL
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#46724
12/01/2009 07:12 PM
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Here is mine for comparison. I have always presumed this piece to be authentic. The quality of the embroidery is very good. Passes burn and blacklight tests.
The other L.S 4 example posted appears to be much the same to me. Any additional insight?
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#46725
12/01/2009 07:13 PM
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#46726
12/01/2009 07:15 PM
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Back.
Silver thread. The jpeg doesn't impart that information very well...
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12/01/2009 07:16 PM
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#46728
12/02/2009 05:30 PM
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reverse of my Bezirk 28 patch,,
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#46729
12/08/2009 02:34 AM
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12/08/2009 02:35 AM
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#46731
12/10/2009 08:02 PM
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Thanks for posting these Paulbear. If that's definitely a fake, then I doubt the authenticity of my own example, as it appears very similar, at least in these jpegs. Mine is definitely not made from synthetic thread though..
Does anyone have a verified original to post by way of comparison? Curious how it might differ from the examples shown here.
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#46732
12/11/2009 04:18 AM
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here is one I am satisfied is correct
PAUL
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#46733
12/11/2009 04:35 AM
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can we see the front as it was the giveaway that you cited for the others being reproductions..thanks,,,Robert
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#46734
12/11/2009 11:39 PM
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actually the weave seen from the reverse is the giveaway
PAUL
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#46735
12/12/2009 01:15 AM
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Thanks for the additional postings.
Is the consensus that these are all fake except the last one that Paulbear showed? If my example is a reproduction I confess I'm stumped on these..
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#46736
12/12/2009 04:45 AM
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...."I believe both are copies due to the material from the front..." paulbear....me too!,,,my example came from a collection that was inherited by a son that had no interest in his father's items...so what it is exactly that is the giveaway on these,???
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#46737
12/12/2009 11:12 PM
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here is the front of the patch note the obvious weave pattern
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#46738
12/13/2009 01:07 AM
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is the weave pattern the same for the non-metallic threads as well?..
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#46739
12/13/2009 09:29 PM
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The silver threads in my example definitely don't match the weave pattern demonstrated by the piece from weitze's site. Does this absolutely identify mine as a copy? Just curious if other producers might have woven the motif differently, or if perhaps it was produced earlier/later.
Thanks for the continued postings on these. Very little information out there, and if the weave pattern shown above is absolute, than I don't think I've ever seen an original in hand.
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#46740
01/10/2010 09:09 PM
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quote: Originally posted by militarymania: is the weave pattern the same for the non-metallic threads as well?..
THE WEAVE PATTERN should be similar same template different threads
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