#45727
09/28/2009 03:58 PM
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09/28/2009 03:59 PM
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09/28/2009 03:59 PM
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09/28/2009 04:00 PM
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09/28/2009 04:02 PM
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09/28/2009 04:03 PM
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09/28/2009 04:03 PM
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09/28/2009 04:04 PM
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09/28/2009 04:05 PM
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09/28/2009 04:05 PM
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09/28/2009 04:06 PM
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09/28/2009 04:07 PM
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09/28/2009 04:09 PM
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#45740
09/28/2009 04:30 PM
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very strange peice for sure,i dont like the etch looks a bit lacking in quality IMO, and the maker mark doesnt look right Adam
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#45741
09/28/2009 10:31 PM
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sorry guys i stand corrected i have just found one almost identical on Mr Wittmanns site!!! oh well live and learn
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#45742
09/29/2009 04:26 PM
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Nice Navy Dagger.I thank is just fine. Jeff
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#45743
09/29/2009 05:16 PM
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Robbi, Don't worry, this looks like a nice, clean original to me, too. Do you have a copy of Tom Wittmann's book on German naval daggers? If not, I'd say put that on the top of your "to-do" list, you'll never regret it. Best regards! Bill
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#45744
09/29/2009 06:01 PM
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This is a fine dagger nicely etched !
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#45745
09/29/2009 06:53 PM
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Tough to find a personalised or inscribed Navy dagger. Very nice Horster you have there, congrats...
Red
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#45746
09/29/2009 07:10 PM
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Honestly worn and overall slightly patinated, original H�RSTER navy dagger. Imo very rare to see a III.R produced navy with full name engraved in the style of WWI. Commonly I do not like additional engravings very much (because there is always a doubt when it was done) but in THIS case it looks like a nice period engraving (due to style, fonts and patination). It mostly is the name of the former wearer "Steinf�hrer". I highly would recommend: Do a "search" for "Gustavo" and try to contact him per e-mail, he has had big succes in detecting the history of former wearers. The name is not so common and I think it would be possible to trace it down. Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
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#45747
09/29/2009 09:31 PM
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Thank you all very much for your thoughts and comments. I will endeavour to find out who Steinfuhrer was.
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#45748
10/05/2009 01:40 AM
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Stein Fuhrer could he be the all time beer drinking champion of the Navy? No! Actually, as of 1.3. 1945 Oberleutnant Gerhard Steinfuhrer served in the Naval Administrative Supply services. I am sure there are a great many experts out there that can help you identify these named daggers. But let me give you a simple hint ---first check Google.com and Google.de. As an interesting example, the For Sale section of THIS SITE !!!!!, not too long ago listed a named TR navy dagger very much like this one for $1100.00. I happened to stumble across it around midnight. I did a couple of Google searches and within 10 minutes I had established that the dagger most likely belonged to the Commander of the secret German U boat base at Penang. I placed the dagger on hold immediately, further research in Germany proved the identity. The complete history of the owner of this rare dagger and the secret U Boat base will be published on our German Navy Dagger website, in the not to distant future.
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#45749
10/05/2009 01:50 AM
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Vic,
I remember that story, one of the great finds!
GDC Gold Badge #290 GDC Silver Badge #310
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#45750
10/05/2009 03:08 AM
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The dagger sold on this site belonged to Grutzmacher not the more famous KK Wilhelm Dommes, Hermann will have it all together shortly. I think it is interesting that the initial google search located Grutzmacher on an Italian site. The info out there is amazing. http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/se...km/uboote/monsun.htm
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#45752
10/05/2009 05:37 PM
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Well guys, have u any ideas about this ?
Joelabrendola - The RETIRED Doctor (on mountain)
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#45753
10/05/2009 09:12 PM
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Could be Officer Candidate School graduation date---Just a guess. Look at your Navy Rank List and see if dates match.
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#45754
10/06/2009 05:12 PM
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Here is a pic of the Grutzmacher dagger sold on GDC. It also is a Horster .
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#45755
10/06/2009 07:53 PM
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@Vic, my friend. I knew that you will say something about this dagger sooner or later after the Max-Show.
@Robbi, sorry for placing my photo and text in your post, you have a nice dagger with a perfect period name engraving.
@Gentlemen, interesting post, nice to see the engraving. Of course it is a pleasure for me to to see a period inscription which is very close to the Gr�tzmacher dagger. It is always the same imo: One can pile tr navy daggers, they all have the same look. Sure, different makers, but from a first glance it is the same. So an engraving makes the difference, it will bring history alive. That's the reasons why experienced dagger collectors are chasing behind condition AND personalization.
I have all facts together about Gr�tzmacher, and it is a lot. Unfortunately I am too short in time to bring it together that quick, but I am working on it. I hope there will be an article in the German magazine Deutsches Waffen Journal and later a larger one on our website for collectors and enthusiasts, for free.
Gr�tzmacher served side by side with Japanese officers during WW2 in Penang. So I have the pleasure to post a pic of the Gr�tzmacher dagger side by side with an Imperial Japanese naval dagger, arranged on the personal flag of a Japanese soldier who served on an U-boat base.
Our website will be available soon, featuring newly aquired dagger informations and extremely rare period photos in wear, for free.
Best; Flyingdutchman
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#45756
10/07/2009 09:10 PM
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This is very interesting. I talked to the Canadian Merchant Navy veteran again and asked him for some more information about this dagger. He said he was serving on a ship delivering 10,000 tons of horse meat to Gdansk, Poland in 1946. He told me he picked up the dagger at Kiel as they moved down the Kiel Canal on the way to a port in Poland. He traded a pound of coffee for it from a displaced German. The vet had no idea who Steinfuhrer was and did not notice the name on until later.
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#45757
10/08/2009 01:54 AM
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You have a nice piece. Named daggers with history are always interesting.
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#45758
11/07/2009 05:08 PM
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I also have a navy Horster that has the same type of engraving, It belonged to a U-Boat fregattenkapitan.
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#45759
11/07/2009 06:53 PM
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It would be great to see some detailed pics !!
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#45760
11/09/2009 03:02 AM
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You may see more of these types of daggers coming out of Canada..
One of the Canadian army's tasks was to secure German coastal Garrisons and Naval bases, up the Dutch coast and along Germany's northern border.
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#45761
12/15/2009 09:28 PM
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Hi Guys:
Here are some more pics for those interested:
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12/15/2009 09:32 PM
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12/15/2009 09:34 PM
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12/15/2009 09:36 PM
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12/15/2009 09:38 PM
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12/15/2009 09:41 PM
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