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trying to keep this thread active........ Unmarked blade, early nickel separate step fitting SS Officer's Degen.

Krebs marked and attributed, 35 1/4" blade

JR,

Any luck with the man's service number?

See you next month in Pittsburgh ...

W~

Good night Irene.....finally have my electricity and internet back!

SS-Hauptsturmführer Hans Meyer, SS No. 48 462, DOB 15 May 1904, NSDAP 731 018. All I ever found on him were his NSDAP membership file cards. See you in Pittsburgh.

Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com

Are there any etched examples?

Here is my sword.
It is an early one full nickel

best regards
seb.

Pretty nice degen ,Sebastian

i haven't seen it before!

Gerd

If you like the ountouched salty ones you can see more of it in my thread "something salty" in the sword forum.
Regards,

here is my early degen

Hi guys,

I'm new to this forum and i have an urgent question to ask.
On the net, i found a Höller, Solingen SS Officer sword for sale, now offcourse
my question is, could this be an authentique one. The seller is not a
professional & he is no collector. He seems to be thrustworthy.

We have agreed on the price and saturday morning we will meet for the sell.

sword

Never heard of an SS Officer degan by Holler.
There's something going on with that back-strap...
I would not buy this one.
Sorry.

I'm in agreement, and tried (without success) to take a better look with the back strap/connector piece just to see what was being used to fill in the grove. FP

I wouldn't buy it, but there does seem to be something questionable about such swords. The "conventional wisdom" is they are post-war "parts" swords. Some, perhaps all, are just that. However, for what it's worth, occasionally, such a sword appears "out of the woodwork," as a vet bring-back. They could still have been post-war assembled, but I wonder. There is a "Dachau" type in Angolia's "sword" book with a "Voos" blade. I bought one years ago for a song that has "Dachau" hilt fittings, but with a "Holler" blade and conventional scabbard. Purchased from the vet's family. I'm well aware that souveniers were being scavanged all over Europe by G.I's and, no doubt, many were being accomodated by the indigenous population, who would not hesitate to enhance something to make a fast dollar. But, I wonder if there was an inordinate demand for SS items, as compared to other items. In other words, would it have been worth it to alter a police sword to an SS model in those days? Would an SS sword have brought more than a police sword back then? It's all speculation and I have mentioned it before, but, if some such swords are original to the period, there are two principal theories, I think. l) The first is the "Dachau" forge was forced to order sword parts, including blades, from other manufacturers, due to a shortage of their own parts or because such a high demand for finished swords was placed upon it. 2) Some police swords were altered by SS members because of a shortage of, or discontinuance of, swords. Such would likely have only been done by those who were authorized to carry the sword. Another possibility is police swords were altered for parade and ceremonial wear, while the actual award degen was safely put away to prevent damage. It seems most, but not all, SS degens are found in remarkably good condition, which may lend some credence to this idea. In the meantime, the safe bet is to go only with the so-called "textbook" examples.

Here is mine. Unmarked, not minty, but I'm quite happy to own it.

Early construction, something I like best.

Their length makes them hard to photograph...

SD Obersturmfuhrer with ss-officer sword without runes. Probobly private purchase. An option for officers not graduated from Junkerschule.

Fjordor, welcome to the forum! This crtain photograph is well known within collector circles. I personally did always wonder if it shows a somehow PERIOD manipulated degen. The middle of grip looks for me like something has happened to it. Would liek to have a look on the original photograph...
I do collect "wearing..." pics and I do have at least two photographs with SSdegens in wear which clearly have been PERIOD manipulated. One seems to have a custom set in runes emblem and the other one has a turned around grip most likely from a police officer degen, obviously not to show the police emblem.
And I do have a lot of pics of SSleaders wearing police degens. At least in one case I have proof that he never has had any period connex to police. The wish for wearing degens has been present by leaders and the bestowal has been ceased with the start of war. Therefore some strange things did happen already during the period.
Regards,

Here's one to add to the list of makers...Carl Julius Krebs.

Nice one fsmc. Is it marked with the runes under the crossguard?

Thanks! Double stamp under the guard and none on the scabbard.