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Previous owner of that outstanding Carl Holz catalog was Horst Brunner from Winterthur/Switzerland.
I learned to know his outstanding collection of pocket knives from all over the world and his knife related archives during the late 1980s.
He was the leading expert in late 1800s Solingen made Swiss Army knives and follow-up VICTORINOX / Carl Elsener and WENGER Swiss Army Knmives.
Whe he passed away all his collection was acquired by Victorinox.

Hi Chevalier,

my friend, Mr. Kashammer, sent this reply when I questioned him about the 1895 "Carl Holz, Tuttlingen" catalog on Oct. 31, 2022:

"This catalog was in the collection of Horst Brunner, Switzerland. When he passed away his collection went to Victorinox. Brunner had also a tremideous number of Musterbücher. I was twice at Ibach to see the collection of Horst. And one time I also saw the catalogs. There is a book. Feuer and Feuerschlagmesser which is sometimes on Ebay to get. And there are some sides catalogs printed. I made my own Musterbuch of these pages. Greetings".

Hey Gaspare, thank you,

your period reference catalog post of 11/14/2022 has helped me.

I just acquired a G. GRAFRATH, SOLINGEN, "Shotshell Puller", Jagdmesser and it looks exactly like "Nr. 941, NICKMESSER" and sold at 9.60 mk which means 9.60 marks and is before Reich marks, about 1933.

The catalog photo you posted probably dates to the 1920's to very early 1930's.

C. Wetzel-20609

Yes having period reference is the best!

C.W.,,, that white handled lockback,,,is that a automatic? [switchblade] ? a beautiful piece.......

No Gaspare, it is not an automatic.

I will post it on page 6, JAGDMESSER THREAD after it arrives from Texas.

My friend from Germany has a very similar knife dated to about 1910-1920, with the "bladed corkscrew worm". He thinks mine is from the 1920 to 1930 period because of the "wire helix corkscrew worm".

The cross section of the corkscrews is different.

Another type of corkscrew is the "grooved wire helix corkscrew worm", the groove is for added strength.

Corkscrew worms:

1. Cyphered wire helix - sometimes called a bladed helix
2. Bladed worm - Favoured in many German designs
3. Speed worm - for quickness
4. Archimedian - Often seen on very early pieces
5. Auger worm - Quite an uncommon design
6. Wire helix - Often found on 19th century pieces, easy to
make so quite common.
7. Grooved wire helix - A groove for added strength

Here is the link to the Corkscrew Collecting site: https://www.corkscrewcollecting.com/introduction.html

Correction: I guessed that Reich marks, prices in reference catalogs followed by "RM", were from about 1933. Reich marks (RM) were used from 1924 to 1948.

The 1912 August Stukenbrok catalog, and the catalog Gaspare posted, listed the price followed by "Mk".

Here is another page of the 1895 "Carl Holz, Tuttlingen" catalog with an actual rare Carl Holz knife, marked on the tang, with the two spanners or forks, overall two short diagonal lines.

This knife is also marked on the blade "GEBR. MULLER", the distributor located in Stuttgart.

The Carl Holz maker's mark is listed on page 286 of "German Knife and Sword Makers 1850-1945" by J. Anthony Carter.

Question from Gaspare on 6/19/2023:



"C.W.,,, that white handled lockback,,,is that a automatic? [switchblade] ? a beautiful piece......."


I gave the wrong answer to Gaspare who was asking about the beautiful white handled knife pictured on top of the 1895 Carl Holz catalog. The correct answer is YES, and it is valued at about $2000.00

I found images of dagger knots, not from period reference, but from the 1967 dagger book by Andrew Mollo. This page is of interest to me.

From left to right, with text:
# 7 knot for postal protection service leaders with the rank of ZUGFUHRER upwards.
# 8 (green) knot for forestry officials with the rank of FORSTANWARTER upwards.
# 9 (silver with 2 green stripes) knot for the forestry officials with the rank of FORSTER upwards.
# 10 (gold with 2 green stripes) knot for the forestry officials with the rank of OBERLANDFORSTER upwards.
# 11 (silver / brown with silver strap with 2 brown stripes) knot for professional hunters (BERUFSJAGER) in the German hunter's association.
# 12 (green) knot for members of the German rifle association.

GENERAL NOTE: all officials who had held commissions in the armed forces were allowed to wear the standard aluminum knot instead of the pattern specified for their organization.

My friend in Germany, "Mr. K." sent an eBay link for this 1921 Paul F. Dick, Katalog No 68 that just verkauft (sold) for 180,00 Euros ($193.93 USD).

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- 5th and 6th down on right side page,,[especially 6th] are 2 beauties.

Would love to see them in the flesh so to say! Thanks for showing..

Gaspare, I would prefer to take the 5th, the hunting knife with stag handle.

This company, F. DICK is well known for their steel honing rods and chef's, butchering and kitchen knives.

You can find some F. DICK stag Nickers (Lederhosenmesser) on the popular auction site, but the bigger hunting knives are a little harder to find.

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Hi Gary,

about post #79852
does this Weimar 1932ish catalogue give any info about the nr 173 dagger with skinner (page 9) with the Horn on the clamshell?
Its differs a lot from the other models.

thx in advance

Ger

Ger

It does not give any information within the catalouge though pattern 173 is listed in Eickhorns Imperial catalouge as well, the lower mount has a different design during the Imperial period and at times you can find a small horn badge affixed to the grip.

Gary

Thx Gary for the feedback.
I saw these come in silver as well as in gold, i was wondering if it could be some kind of Rank or Function for example in a hunting group.

Ger

Ger

Not that I know of, there are a number of makers that offered the same pattern in different materials, Eickhorn, WKC and Henckels come to mind.

Gary