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Hello to all,

i am new here and i need your help.

This dagger comes from an old collector, who said, that this one is original. To be honest, i also think, that all parts are original. What makes me really curious is the awesome detail on the eagle, even the feathers are engraved additionally. Even the veins on the scubbards nickel plating looks very good, like i would expect aging. The blade was badly polished, even a peace of the logo on the side was polished away.

I know, Julius Krebs was a very small producer with different varieties of this dagger. So, please help me. Is this a variant of an Julius Krebs Land Customs Dagger?


Best regards

Aureus

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Hello Aureus1975, due to your first posting let me first welcome you to the forum! Concerning the dagger: I cannot see anything wrong with the dagger per se. It obvously has plated leightweight or zinc grip fittings and plated steel fittings on the scabbard. All correct. The embelishment on the crossguard eagle can be seen by few different firms mostly on army daggers. It is a special, nice treat.
Due to tge overal aged and worn condition the grip with it´s leather looks somehow spurious o me, also the grip wire fixing does look spurious. See also the pommel/grip fit!
The blade is a mystery to me. The trademark looks to me remarkable less detailed. The blade looks also much too pointy so I assume the tip was once broken and grinded to this certain look which would led to the assumption that the blade is original to the dagger. But in combination with the grip I am not sure what to think of it all, to me it does not look untouched and produced this way.
Would like to hear what others say.
Regards,

I would agree with Woran that there concerns about this dagger and its originality. Certainly the grip leather and wire appear to have been improved over time, notice the slightly different gunk around where the grip wire enters the grip itself. The crossguard has some superior embellishments to the feathering however that eagle’s head is unlike what I’m used to seeing in terms of shape.

What really concerns me is the blade’s maker mark. I’m fairly sure Krebs made a small number of Land Customs daggers however that said. I haven’t seen a Krebs maker mark quite like this one. It appears to have been added postwar to me with the lack of detail and even the shape of the letters themselves. I don’t think I’d want this one in my collection.

Agree, Billy,

Strange eagle's head and maker's mark.

Below are makers marks from Army blades.

And one from an SA

Hello at all and thanks for the nice welcomes.

I am collecting myself for a long time, but i have never seen an land customs from Julius Krebs. An friend of mine ones told me, that there are possibly not even 100 ever made. But this we will never know.

I really like, that you all confirm, that the peaces are all right. I thought a lot of the dagger and i think, that it is a good one, maybe a variant, maybe refinished somehow, somewhen. Maybe the bearer let the dagger upgraded then, to look nicer. But i am tend to think it is a good one, even getting an original scubbard, not to mention getting an original knob or guard for a land customs is just not possible, so that it seems to be legit. The grip ring seems to be changed, looks not to fit really good (horrible). The blade, i think, is also legit. I know of at least 2 different forms of the Krebs-Logo (the 2nd is shown on the SA-Dagger), every with a huge variant of detail-variation. Just look on the last two pictures of the same type of crown: One has the line on the bottom of the crown, the other one there is a peace of the bottom line of the crown missing. Really odd, but in particularly Julius Krebs logos look every time different, best seen on the 2 little crosses on the logo, looking differenz due to the – i think so – different force of stamping them. I have seen this all several times on different logos. Even look on the lack of centering of the logo in the shown logos and on my blade. All three have this shift to the left. I would declare it as typical for Julius Krebs. Maybe some problem on an holding device for stamping the logos? Like at the Coast artillery badge from Steinhauer on the leafs. A tool-problem i think.

Very good eye: The blade seems to be shorten. I do not even see it. The leather has sign of wear and age on the side, where the leather touches the pants. I took some photos.


Greetings to you all! :-)

Dave, those are very nice Carl J's, the SA is very nice looking. Carl J is my maker.

Aureus, I do not know much about Land Custom's, the scabbard looks I would not be worried about, but the problems with the blade weigh heavy on the value.
The re-tip and the overall condition of the blade, it looks real bad in the photo of the maker mark, would hold me back on a purchase. Just my opinion.
Condition, condition, condition.

Hello,

yes, the blade is really horrible (somebody has polished away the nickle plating on the blade, it is, as it is), but i could not stand not to buy this little treasure. I think, i will not see another Julius Krebs land customs dagger in my life again. Thanks to all for your opinion. Very nice here in this forum.


Best regards

Honest and true Land Customs leather is nice blade is ok IMO depends upon price when all is said and done cheers, Ryan


















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