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Looks like these two got lost from my last post. so here they are. I think Ihave two more to add yet.


steve,

Last two, If some of our members here that understand German grammar could add some thought on the two of these. please feel free.


I hope some of you enjoyed seeing some of the bayos that can be collected outside the box

thanks,
Steve.

This one looks jeweler done but is actually a factory done etch. Eichhorn and Henckels produced this type. Most of the finish is gone from inside the etch, it's not a mint example of this type. But still they are very difficult to obtain for a collection. Some of our members here have beautiful examples of both types.

Steve

Steve,
Can't remember for sure, but I may have posted this Eickhorn a few years ago. Anyway, I guess it fits the subject of this thread.

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Denny, thanks for posting that one. I've seen a number of those that resemble that layout. Each one seems to be individually interesting in some way. I've always had an interest in those.

Steve

P.S.: Could you post some closeups of the Henckels you posted earlier? I'd really like to see that. Thanks, Steve

Here is an interestingly marked blade that belongs to a friend. Maker mark? Distributor? Privately engraved?

Hi,
the first one says "du solst nicht t�ten" witch translates to "you shall not kill" , number 13 of the ten commandments from Exodus.
the second one says "uns geht die sonne nicht unter" witch translates to "we are not under the sun" witch is the name of a Hitlerjugend song book.
I hope this helps
Regards, Ted

I still find this older thread of interest and return to read it every so often.

--dj--Joe

I'm certainly not an expert but very interested in this subject since I joined this hobby and did amass a great amount of literature until my x trashed it. As it turns out this subject runs off into other parts of our hobby like jewelry, rings etc. from this period and the details of how they are made which is in the literature as well and just about anything thats stamped, engraved or marked..I love marks of any kind really...Just came upon this thread I think.

As we all know and realize It takes a lot of training to be a very proficient engraver, so skilled engravers during this period advertised and looked for employment. I think some, maybe a few jewelers might have or were trained and skilled or not so skilled but most employed/utilized a skilled engraver to do the work. So a master jeweler more than likely is not a master engraver or vise versa. A well known and popular manuscript was used by engravers and jewelers to utilize and show customers the many styles they could choose from. Many of the monogramed engravings shown are directly from this book and thats why we see a lot of different styles and the same popular stylized monograms. And yes engraving machines electro magnetic machines, etching needles, drills, a Burin or Graver which are engraving hand tools, Roulettes of various types, etc etc. were used and or a combination thereof. Best!

Here are some examples of etching and engraving on miniature KS98 bayonets.

Here are some examples of good period done jeweler style engraving.

Mikee, thank you for your knowledgeable reply on the use of engravers hand tools from post #348418.

I appreciate all the reply's and images gents. An interesting subject.

--dj--Joe U.S.M.C.

Thank you Joe,

I will look to see if I still have pictures of other type tools used. I just wanted to add that shops as well existed that specialized in hand engraving. As well as when someone would order from a manufacture they provided different styles of monograms for the customer to choose from. Best!

Here are just a few styles of such options to choose from and they do have names for the different styles, like the English monogram style which I have on a Army dagger. You might recognize a few styles. The more intricate detailed ones cost more.

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While some few of my items are engraved I don't think any are fancy. Will have to check.

I have seen some monogramed examples like you show.

--dj--Joe U.S.M.C.

Joe,

You asked: I wonder how long engraving pens have been available? Diamond tip and tungston carbide tip.
Here is a modern example.

I know they had the diamond tip pen style in the 30s, used for glass and porcelain. I have one or more I believe in my reference material, they look the same as the one you posted but not as fancy as yours. Not sure, but it's not far fetched they had them around in the 20's. Of course we already know about the engraving needles and scribing needles made of hardened steel and the burin/graver tools. I think the tools everyone wants to know about are these types in particular. So here you go. Best!

With this apparatus you can make letters, inscriptions and decorations in every engravable metal and it was light.

This is a electrical type, universal engraving and punctuation apparatus: Universal meaning it was a multisystem. Could change it from 220 volts to 110 volts at anytime.

This a terrible picture with my scribble all over it so I apologize.

Engraving needle, hardened steel, just incase someone wants to see one. So many so I'll stop there. Hope you have enjoyed it all and hope it has answered some of your questions. Thank you all.

Mikee,
Thank you for searching out and posting all the images of period engraving tools.
Good to know what was available and possible.
I guess each engraved item has to be taken on it's own merit. That old "gut feeling". The ornate and the more rustic engravings.

--dj--Joe U.S.M.C.

Always a pleasure. Thank you Joe

Note the etched letters and numerals on post #72808 of the linked thread.
https://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=364634&page=6

Does anyone know if the internal casters marks on fittings (like shown on post #72774), were etched or pin punched?
https://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=364634&page=2

--dj--Joe U,S.M.C.