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#364352 01/04/2025 08:24 PM
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Not sure what this one is for, the ball is the same as an army or luft, the cord is the same length as an army but it has a red/brown fleck in the cord, it shows some wear and use but not much, the insert in the ball is silver threads with red flecks, the ball has a tight weave, I cannot pull it apart like the modern repro's, I'm open to any and all idea's of what it might be.
Anybody got any idea's,

Gary

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Baz69 #364354 01/04/2025 09:08 PM
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Hello Baz69, due to my experience, as I have had several of these protepees and have "wearing" pics, it is my opinion that it is a nice, original and valuable Postschutz (postal protection) leader´s (officer´s) portepee. The red flecking tends to slightly discolorate during time and perhaps dirt (oil). The "eye" for me obviously has also red traces. The "wearing" pics I did mention clearly do show that there were two variants of postal protection portepees, the one we see here and the other one with red lines in the stem and the slide.
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Baz69 #364365 01/05/2025 02:03 PM
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Wotan

Thank you very much for such a detailed answer, personally I had never seen one to compere before as Postschutz daggers were never on my radar, perhaps now I my look for a decent example as I doubt I'll ever have an opportunity to own another portepee, this comes as a very nice surprise.

Many Thanks

Gary

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Gary,

My first inclination was that Wotan is right on the money here. The knot is obviously a period example and with nice gentle signs of wear.

One could make the argument that there are two other possibilities that this knot could be, a Feuerwehr Official’s knot or a DRK Leader knot since both used red flecks in their cords. I’m wondering now is there a strong difference between the accent color on a Postschutz knot and the others.

I have an early Postchutz knot as well as two knot that are on Fire Official daggers. Now I really need to show them side by side. Will check back with the findings. Either way, this is a really nice knot.


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Baz69 #364406 01/09/2025 12:07 AM
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Hello Billy_G I am sorry but I have to disagree. Please, show me ONE "wearing" picture with a fire official or a red cross leader wearing a portepee with flecking. I do own a lot of DRK leader photographs, none of them has a flecking (neither cord nor stem) portepee. And I have never seen or heard from a fire officials wearing photograph.... Or any period written documentation or regulation.
Imho these colorful portepees like DRK (hewers and leaders daggers), custom daggers are only phantasy pieces unless any written documentation that these did exist turns up. And I dare to doubt it ever will turn up. BTW I naturally also have custom officials with daggers with the pure silver portpee, no flecking.
On the other hand I have several wearing pics with postal protection leader daggers with these certain portepee variants.
The color of the flecking varies from an orange tone to red, how it was worn, was touched, dirt, sun, all are circumstances for a shade. The material is delicate and did hold the original color not very well.
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wotan, gd.c-b#105

"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.

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