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Is there information on weigh in of a blood order? Is there a weight difference in 1st and 2nd pattern? How about a diameter if possible? Thanks
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I have the following information - 1st issue, marked "900", 40.1 mm diameter, and weigh 25.3 grams. 2nd issue, marked "800", 40.4 mm in diameter, and weigh 22.9 grams.
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I saw a 990 marked example with similar diameter listed at 40.11mm. and weight of 25.3 grams.
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Opps, should be "990". Next time I'll use a loupe. Old eyes
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Many thanks for the help. I appreciate your time.
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Weird... What would you think about a 1st pattern weighing 22.9 (with no ribbon but has the ring). Again, thank you for your points of view.
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The 1st pattern were all produced by Joseph Fuess, Munchen. Per Angolia, the specifications were "990" silver, 40 mm in diameter, and a weight of 25 grams. I would be skeptical of an under weight example. Perhaps a silver content test is called for?
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Thanks for the voice of reason and realism Vern. Maybe just one red flag is reason enough to put the brakes on...just odd, the weight is dead on what a second pattern should be for a 990 version. Hard to believe (but not impossible) a counterfeiter would make a high-end copy and not use the proper grade of silver resulting in easy fake detection. Guess no amount of wishing on a star will add the 2.4 grams though.
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Back around 20-25 years ago, a guy in Eastern Europe used a laser to scan several different medals and badges to a CDC machine to create accurate dies. While the size was right on, the weight was off as he used different alloys for the die stamped copies. It didn't really matter at the time as he sold them for re-enactors. It didn't take long before they started showing up aged and offered as original. I remember Knight's Crosses and several Luft badges. That's why I think a silver check might be interesting He did a very convincing Anti-Partisan Badge.
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Dean,, 990 would be a hard alloy to make.. Just to be sure of your scale is true, and the silver content.. - * Any competent jeweler should be able to tell you exact weight, And with just a small rub/touch and he'd put a drop of chemical on that rub spot [on the rub paper not on medal] and the content would be revealed,,, at least that its more than .925 sterling... Test and confirm!
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