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UPDATE: The single F. Dula Waidblatt like Gary's that never had the pocket for the Waidmesser on the sheath listed for 3,250 Euros ($3,487.57) has been sold.

The 2023 listing for this single F. DULA Waidblatt noted "less than 50 made" and on another site the "Saufaengerkid" aka Baz69 (Gary) thought that number (50) was too low and no known source to verify the number made. The "Saufaengerkid" said he has 14 and knows of another 20. The "Saufaengerkid" guessed the true number of F. Dula Waidblatt knives made, as being in the hundreds.

However maybe the number of F. DULA knives sold with the single sheath is less than 50 because I have only seen two shown.

C. Wetzel-20609

This Waidblatt was once in my collection, i have owned 12 sets in the past.

Ger

Thanks for the information Gerrit1963. I found your 2019 post and photos of the F. DULA Waidblatt and rare single sheath you owned on the War Relics Forum.

Your 2019 post also mentioned the F. DULA Waidblatt was marked with D. R. G. M. and photos show original securing strap on the front of the sheath and on the back of the sheath, buttonhole on sheath loop.


C. Wetzel-20609

Hello all ,

The DULA recently shown by C-Wetzel is since 2 weeks blocked up by the french Customs without any reasons ... and this in spite of a claim from the previous owner located in Belgium and of course many phone calls from my side !

No responsible postman or customer are able to explain what is the misfit 😢

Bad situation not comfortable at all , I will keep you informed on the final solution = S+

From what I have read, Customs in certain countries can delay, confiscate or even destroy an object such as Thomas T. Wittmann's SS overcoat in Australia.

Another story in Canada had a happy ending after several months of waiting.

I found this about the seller's site: "Proantic is a website dedicated to professional antique dealers, created in November 2009." " Proantic the first French antique website."

Seppi, I hope this story has a happy ending for you, good luck.

Hi JL, I hope you'll receive your nice knife very rapidly now.
The seller is serious and there isn't any reason that the custom confiscate it...any Hakenkreuz on this knife or something that can explain a custom problem.
Bon courage!

JC

Hello Sirs ,

I appreciate your comments and wishes for an happy end for this poor knife ...

As far as I know no prohibited sign as a swaz is engraved on this kind of Waidblatt then nothing can explain such a delay excepted a lazzy postal dpt .

S+

Post WW2 Waidblatt sets sold by Eickhorn, Hubertus and Puma have leather sheaths sewn with green thread.

Thomas T. Wittmann's, # 39820 Deluxe Hunting Cutlass with Skinner - F. Dula (Unmarked) is clearly an Eickhorn / Hubertus product, still listed for sale and also has an Eickhorn / Hubertus leather sheath sewn with green thread.

The F. Dula set shown by Baz69 (Gary) on 11/30/2014 "F. Dula with a twist" page 2, Gary's 10th set, is noted as from a "German gun dealers' site, never used" and appears to have a genuine F. Dula leather sheath sewn with green thread.

Gary is the mint condition F. Dula leather sheath from the German gun dealer sewn with green thread and is it the only one?

Yes the one that is listed on TW website is an Eickhorn after war production.
I've one for sale. More rare than the waidblatt made by Puma.

I for one, and I'm sure all, would like to see the one for sale, and know the asking price.

3250USD here:
http://www.wwiidaggers.com/39820.htm

Mine is cheaper

The F. Dula set shown by Baz69 (Gary) on 11/30/2014 "F. Dula with a twist" page 2, Gary's 10th set, is noted as from a "German gun dealer's site, never used" and appears to have a genuine F. Dula leather sheath sewn with green thread.

Gary, please tell us, is the mint condition F. Dula leather sheath from the German gun dealer sewn with green thread and is it the only one?


C. Wetzel-20609

- * That really is some nice looking and functional knife set especially like this!

Hey G,

Very nice! How are the blades?

Blade

I believe the serrations on the small Eickhorn Jagdnicker blade in the photo above is a variation of the "Original Eickhorn" Jagdnicker blade.

Gents this post is about F.Dula's, would be nice to keep it that way.
I think these post war Waidbestecke do not do justice to the beauties Gary posted.
My suggestion would be to start a separate post for these post war knives.

Best
Ger

I agree with Gerrit1963, let's get back to the topic of this thread.

Gerriit1963, you have owned 12 of these F. DULA Waidblatts, please tell us, of the F. Dula leather sheaths you owned were any sewn with green thread?

C. Wetzel-20609

Yes, they did use green thread and green dyed leather, sun and use bleaches it to the original brown leather colour.
Here you see the back is still greenish with green thread while its front has no green left at all after years of use/sunlight.

Cheers,
Ger

Hi all ,

two lines to tell you that after 21 days of punishment within the french customs I received the Dula Waidblatt in perfect condition.

Thanks to you for your kind support during my 3 weeks of stress . 😊 = S+

On page 4 of this thread, I posted:

"F. DULA with nuts? (note Waidblatt handle decorated with oak leaves and acorns)." "This example was listed as a WW2 Third Reich Bowie and is from an auction in 2019."

This example also has the sun / weather faded thread color and brown leather color on the front of the sheath and the dark green leather color with green colored thread on the back of the sheath.

Thanks again to Gerrit1963 who explained the reason (sun and weather) for this leather and thread color difference.

C. Wetzel-20609

I like to watch old movies late at night into the early morning hours and have my F. DULA knives in my hands to appreciate the quality, craftsmanship and the pride of ownership from these knives.

So early this morning I noticed that there is a difference in the D.R.G.M. mark on the two knives.

My Waidblatt has D.R.G.M. Note there are no spaces after the period and length of mark is about 9 MM between the D and the M.

My Waidmesser has D. R. G. M. Note there is a space after the period and length of mark is about 11 MM between the D and the M.

Seppi posted his two knives, and the Waidblatt and the Waidmesser are the same: D.R.G.M. Note there are no spaces and length of mark is probably about 9 MM between the D and the M.

As the French say, vive la difference.

C. Wetzel-20609

I found an image of an F. DULA Waidblatt with D. R. G. M. Note there is a space after the period and length of mark is probably about 11 MM between the D and the M.

C. Wetzel-20609

Hello ,

Thanks C.Wetzel to report the size of my new Waidblatt ( ex Gerrit's knife) and I confirm the 9 mm between the 2 letters of the engraved mention

on the ricasso .

No more DULA happy owners right now on the Forum ?

S+

Thanks for the information Seppi.

I noticed that Baz69 (Gary's) dated 1937 F. DULA knives seems to have the 9 MM, D.R.G.M. mark. This example has the "no buttonhole" sheath loop.

Seppi's F. DULA set with the "no buttonhole" sheath loop also has the 9 MM, D.R.G.M. mark.

My F. DULA Waidblatt that came with the "no buttonhole" sheath loop has the 9 MM, D.R.G.M. mark.

I wonder why these sheaths came through with no buttonhole on the loop, maybe there was an error on 1 shipment of sheaths.

C. J. W.-20609

F. DULA blade and sheath restoration?

I found an image of what is probably the early F. DULA, no D.R.G.M. on tang, with metal fittings on the sheath and D J emblem on the handle owned by Baz69 (Gary).

The auction photos show the blade and sheath are not in the same condition as what Gary's photos shows. Also, the Waidmesser is missing.

The auction description: "F dula. This was one of the original pre patent F Dula. Stamped F Dula."

Hey Gary, is this your F. DULA and did you buy the knife restored or do you have someone who does restoration work for you?

C. Wetzel-20609, F. DULA owner in need of restoration help.

From the look of the stag handle near the pommel, the above F. DULA is Gary's knife before cleaning / buffing. The sheath also looks like it was cleaned / buffed / waxed.

My Waidblatt needs more than cleaning / buffing but what can I do?

Here is a photo from page 2 of the pre patent F. DULA from Gary.

C. J. W.-20609

The photo of the F. DULA in wear from Baz69 (Gary) on the 1st page, named the person as Rudolf Herrenkind.

So, I looked him up on the Find a Grave site and I think I found his memorial. The memorial is a large stone marked with an Oak leaf and JAGD VORBEI (Hunt Over) RUDOLF HERRENKIND, 1897-1983.

Rudolf Herrenkind
BIRTH
1897
DEATH
1983 (aged 85–86)
BURIAL
Friedhof Bordesholm
Bordesholm, Kreis Rendsburg-Eckernförde, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany
MEMORIAL ID 189715940

C. Wetzel-20609

Here is a link to "Der Wanderjager Herrenkind" with a slide show of pictures of Rudolf Herrenkind (1897-1983). https://wortha.eu/der-wanderjaeger-herrenkind/

Very nice to see him in the slideshow with his DJS uniform wearing his F.Dula Waidbesteck.
Thx for the link Wetzel, appreciated!

Best,
Ger

Thanks C-Wetzel , the proud hunter with his Dula aside is no more anonymous , thanks for him .

S+

It would be interesting to know how many F. DULA Waidblatt's have the 9mm D.R.G.M. mark and how many have the 11mm D. R. G. M. mark.

Same with the F. DULA Waidmesser. Which size is rarer than the other size.

Could it be that the 9mm D.R.G.M. is earlier than the 11mm D. R. G. M. mark.

Maybe the reason is they were made by more than one worker with different D.R.G.M. stamps.

And if a set is not the same size D.R.G.M. marks, is it a "married" set that was not originally made together at the same time.

Note that my set with 9mm D.R.G.M. marked Waidblatt and 11mm D. R. G. M. marked Waidmesser is a "married" set.

C. Wetzel-20609

Hi all ,

replyng to C.Wetzel my opinion is that only an owner of multiple Dula"s can give an information about the ratio of the DRGM sizes in his own

panel of knives and this is an empiric reply due to the situation of the full production of knives (unknown today) and mainly how many collectors

have enough units to inform us on this question .

Greethings of S+

Thanks for the reply Seppi.

I was hoping that Baz69 (Gary), would give us some information about D.R.G.M. (9mm) & D. R. G. M. (11mm) marks in his collection.

Based on photos I have seen; I would guess there are less of the 11mm D. R. G. M. marked blades than the 9mm D.R.G.M. marked blades.

Although the F. DULA, Dec. 1938 advertising type has D.R.G.M. (Deutsche Jagd magazine) and D. R. G. M. (Deutsches Waidwerk magazine) this is probably only a coincidence and does not confirm the size of the D.R.G.M. marks used on blades in Dec. 1938.

C. Wetzel-20609.

I found this F. DULA Waidblatt on the Worthpoint site.

"Title: Orig F Dula DRGM Antique German Bowie Knife Dagger Sheath Stag WWI Baron Palm. Description: Offering an original F Dula WWI era German bowie knife with sheath. This antique knife is very rare and highly collectible! This comes from a local German born US Military veterans' family. It was from the estate of his late relative by marriage, Baron von Palm of Wurttenburg The retiree?s name has been withheld by the family. They said that there were several Baron von Palms and that this one was a noted early 20th century hunter and landowner. Sharpener old, uncertain if original."

The Waidmesser is missing, and a steel awl ("Sharpener old") tool is shown. Does anybody have any information on the Baron von Palm of Wurttenburg?

PS it looks like this example has the 9 mm D.R.G.M. mark

C. Wetzel-20609

I found two records on Ancestry.com and note Wurttenburg (sic), (Württemberg). The 2nd record is from Württemberg, Germany.

Germany, Lutheran Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1567-1945 Preview Birth, baptism & christening
Record information (text only)
Name
Baron Joseph Camillo Leopold Von Palm


Württemberg, Germany, Family Tables, 1550-1985 Preview Family histories, journals & biographies
Record information (text only)
Name
Friedr Baron Von Palm
Vital
xxxxxxxxx
Residence
xxxxxxxxx Deutschland (Germany)

Also note: Castle of the Barons of Palm (Wernau)
The castle of the Freiherren von Palm is a castle from the early 18th century on the main street in Steinbach, a current district of Wernau in the Esslingen district in Baden-Württemberg.

C. Wetzel-20609

Calvin,

Did you buy it? Awesome info.

No Mikee,

I did not buy the knife. Worthpoint is a site listing sold items with the price given if you are a member, which I am not.

I am only trying to verify the possibility of the Freiherr (Baron) von Palm, Württemberg, Germany who may have originally owned an F. DULA.

There is an old saying that "if you hold a piece of paper still long enough, you can write anything on the paper". Could the von Palm F. DULA story be true?

Thomas T. Wittmann's # 37099 F. DULA Waidmesser is pictured and shows the 11 mm, D. R. G. M. mark.

C. Wetzel-20609.