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#362582 07/08/2024 12:53 PM
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It occured to me the other day that less experienced collectors of small badges may not know what we mean when we refer to coffin shaped pin plates on fake badges. So I will try to expalin.

First of all, a pin plate is the small, usually round, but by no means always, plate that holds the pin to the back of the plate. These plates can be found in many styles & shapes. Usually round or rectanguler, but sometime oval.

The term "Coffin shape" was coined by fellow collector Stephen Lauterns & refers to the often smaller narrower & more angular oval plates introduced sometime around the 1970's. Their appearence resembling a coffin.

Below are a couple of examples of very obvious coffin shaped pin plates.

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Don Scowen #362583 07/08/2024 12:57 PM
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After a number of years, or with some artificial aging, the pinplate can look less obvious & more convincing that the piece is old. Below shows the reverse of an RLB badge with some very convincing patina. However, the plate shows that this badge is a fake.

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Don Scowen #362584 07/08/2024 01:03 PM
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Some people get worried at the site of an oval plate. There's no need to be, oval plates are often found on period badges & should be be confused for the fake coffin plate. Indeed, some manufacturers such as Hoffstatter seemed to favour oval plates, & this information can be used to help identify a geniune Hoffstatter piece like the one shown below. Note that although oval, it does not have the narrow more angular shape of the fakes shown in the above posts.

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Don Scowen #362585 07/08/2024 01:07 PM
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Another example of a geniune piece with an oval plate. This time a transitional piece made by Steinhaur & Luck.

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Don Scowen #362586 07/08/2024 01:13 PM
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Fully rectangular plates are fine as well, as with the design below with crimping to hold the pin erect, favoured by companies such as Alois Klammer & Karl Pichl. Or the short wide types seen on very early pieces.

I hope that this goes some way to clarify what we mean by a coffin shaped pin plate.

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Don Scowen #362588 07/08/2024 03:05 PM
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Thanks, Don,

That explains a lot.

Dave

Don Scowen #362589 07/08/2024 06:22 PM
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Good informative thread Don. Do you still have a period catalog page showing available pins and pin plates?

I will pin the pin plate thread. smile


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derjager #362594 07/09/2024 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by derjager
Do you still have a period catalog page showing available pins and pin plates?

Geeeez, now you're asking! I found it in a reference book & then posted it on in a thread on a forum somewhere. The problem is that I cannot remember which book or forum/thread it was at the moment cry


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Don Scowen #362595 07/09/2024 05:16 PM
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I think I had an old catalog showing this but I'm not sure I still have it. A lot of my stuff was thrown in the trash. I will check.

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If it helps the firm was Carl Distel, Nurnberg 150
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