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Rats Auction house has been wanting to liquidate my rings.. Not wanting to send to Germany they suggested the U.S auction.. I know they would bring the most in the German auction..

SO,, they will be at the MAX and said I could hand over to them there.. So far these are just some that will move out. I will try and sell at the MAX and at the end of show give them the rest..

I offer them here but a warning to those not in the U.S.: I can guarantee 100% they would leave the U.S. and arrive in your country. . But whether you get them after that I can Not guarantee!

IN U.S. orders are simple and I'd even pay shipping. They are not cheap,,some I've have for 30+ years.. IF interested my emails in my profile... I will pick more in the following weeks..

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Hey G,

Are you getting out of collecting rings and why sell? Can you send me a price list on each. Thank you.

Mikee,, I retired from collecting some years ago.. Unless its something really weird or something I never had then I would buy for a while.. But having a few hundred rings whats the family to do when I',m 6 ft under.. My son maybe wants a skull ring and my grandsons also a skull each.. Other than that my twin daughters and their daughters get the vintage Barbies!!



SO,,I'm going to keep about 50 rings...

I'm just starting to price up now and will be posting more in the following week hopefully so please everyone give me some time... For those that emailed me and wanting the same ring,,I'm going with the first date of the email first and when I get a price I'll contact you..


Oh yeah,,had a question about the Danzig ring.. It is very high quality. Probably early wartime or pre.... Danzig became Gdansk in late 1945

I would love to see a group photo of the 50 rings that you eventually decide to hang onto, Gaspare. That will be an amazing selection, I would imagine.
Stephen

Going to try and list prices this weekend, patience please,,thank you guys..,G.

my keepers!! a couple SS, a couple SA ,,a Political,, bunch of skulls,,and my OUN [Ukrainian] rings....

Sorry but the Black Luftwaffe is gone:

The others - I can only take PayPal and will pay shipping within the US . Out of US Shipping is up to you but it must have a tracking number. That number will tell you when it leaves the US,,and,,when it arrives in your country.... Sorry but no shipments to Russia and Ukraine,,Palistine and Haiti!!

WestWall-$250

Messing Luft air gunners - $200

Square cartouche Luftwaffe eagle, nice condition - $300

Derna 1940, has weird Latvian type Swastika on it - $200.

Early Swas with oak leafs - $300

Patriotic Bakelite pins [at top] $150 each

Gold signet, has swastikas and small edelweiss on sides. $500

Skull [at top] -$300

Early Patriotic pressed Swastika. $200

Danzig - $150

Latvian Legion - $250

Turnerbund /Sports glod washed swas - $200

Petsamo, swastikas on sides - $200.

Skull, Rivet type cut to back band otherwise good condition - $250

3 gull Luft, Flyers/Para - $300

Luft , occupied Norway, has enamel Norwegian flag [not seen]. - $400

Spanish Yoke and arrows/ Condor Legion, German Italian Spanish - war with communists - $200



- My email is in my profile. Please no rush,, no 20% to pay auction house either!!

Very sorry but the rivet skull above is NOT the one for sale.. - That is a full on mint example and is a lot more...


Skull, non Rivet type cut to back band otherwise good condition - $250 - * Guys,,if you want more than one ring I'd be happy to give a good discount on the total.. Thanks again..,G.

- * These are the photos of actual.......

Some more rings I'm bringing to the MAX for sale and then to give to a auction house...A couple are on hold already and the Black Luftwaffe above is gone! and he saved the 20% auction fees! Man we're all in the wrong business,,they get 20% from seller and 20% from buyer!

Something interesting. The ring on extreme right,,a green 'S'.. Got it many years ago from veteran family. Its a unit ring ,,they also had some documents to a ' Beth Heeresgbiet Mitte' anyone have a good translation as to what the unit is?? , much thanks - The family seemed to not want to talk about his service time at all and were glad to get rid of anything they had.., G.

AND, a grouping of Fascist Italian rings. To be sold as a group! with a very attractive price.. My email is in my profile...., thanks , G.

‚Beth Heeresgebiet Mitte‘ means something like ‚Beth Army Centre‘, Gaspare. For what that’s worth. Beth might be a town or district.

Thanks Stephen... I did a bit of internet search.. Seems they were NOT nice guys [maybe I understood wrong]...

Anyone looking for Italian rings that Tanker ring on left is a rare one. And, both 'Visit 'rings are there,, extreme left,,and on 2nd from right top.. The others are very good too. Attractive pricing!! and no 20%!!!

I am only offering these low here at GDC,,they would also be good for dealers as there is money to be made if thats what you want to do with them....,G.

You understood perfectly, Gaspare. Rückwärtiges Heeresgebiet Mitte (Army Group Centre Rear Area) was one of three military groups positioned in Russia behind the frontline, often collaborating with the SS-Einsatzgruppen. There were Nord, Mitte and Süd groups. Their 'official' function was to provide security behind the fighting troops. In reality, they oversaw widespread brutality, terror and mass murder. Nasty!

Good old Wikipedia. I can't find the significance of 'Beth' though. I wonder if it's a place, or perhaps an abbreviation?

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,,,,,,yes the Beth was throwing me too. But thank you very much for confirming everything.!

Here's a few more I found.. A couple on hold for the WW ring book man! The WW with red line - is a WHW piece!. A pressed spiral crimped to a band,,marked to WHW etc. to back.. Ring with blue line,,a bit hard to tell but in very good condition, there are others also in very good condition and rare patterns.

and some others:

and a few others.. 2 nice Latvian legion, Albanian, and Bulgarian youth! - [ also have a few real nice Estonian rings, and enamel military theme rings for Finland!]

- and a nice pair of Traditions rings,,one the multi piece construction type..

- Here it is with a multi piece Holland occupation ring,,has Nederlaand on back band.

Some more..

These are pre World War II. Socialist and Communist organizational pieces supposedly made in Germany..

There are adverts that show such pieces pre war. Probably only for a very short time!

So I changed title of the topic.. To things I found and bringing for sale at the MAX..



Some bracelets... The first goes with a Spanish civil war grouping I picked up last year. did some research. Very interesting.

2nd one is broken. An easy fix but I leave them as I get them.. and 3rd a kind of plainish WW..........

2 more.. These have been on before... Each link was also a ring. I have all but the airplane and the helmeted soldier & eagle... I've seen one years ago but never again. And,,never have seen the plane as a ring.. Maybe never made[?] , Someone have it in their collection[?]

Last cufflinks from the hoard Odal and I turned up.... Had many collectors at the time tell me they would never made them as party pins... Well,, It took a period advert of them to them to be believers!

I still find this ad amazing. It is pre 33 and shows the cufflinks and anti-fascist pieces on the same ad!!

Ha ha! Where's there's money to be made, politics be damned!

Some more I'm bringing to the show / selling

A nice little HJ in its own box...

A TB ring in its box.

A mint in box SA with the 'oxidized finish' ... this I'm not so sure on,,might keep it!

When Odal and I found the ring hoard there were some documents, tags, ring parts etc. This has a red glass WestWall ring insert for the cartouche and a variety of Red glass eyes...

and some more I'm moving:


A nice small skull WW in its box... and a real nice SAARDANK ring in gold with its original box! The WW skull has a real thin band!.. They made this skull without the WW on forehead pattern also...


The SAARDANK, is mint,, in slightly worn box but the correct box for that ring!

sorry for the bad photos but was in hurry etc.

Llast rings a very nice, congratulations my friend!

Thanks Evgeniy.... There is also a Silver version [same box].....

. From the hoard Odal and I found.. There were only 2 of these,,one for him and one for me! Both identical mint in box....


- this one too making the trip..........

I'm just going to keep about half of these.. Just have to figure out what half!!

It's sad that you're letting go of your rings, but understandable. My biggest "fear" of collecting rings is that if I pass away, my collection will be sold for scrap. Always good to sell and get back the investment in time before that happens. I've even started to put price tags and small notes for my rings so that family members knows what they have if I'm not around. You got a hell of a collection, Gaspare! Many beauties and I appreciate that you're letting it go to collectors and not some crooked pawn shop.

Mahler,,,same with me. I'm in my 60s,, periods of time I led a unhealthy lifestyle, etc. What would my family do with 300+ rings!!!

Recently I had an offer from someone to buy all of these at $300 per ring. with the case. [not my boxed skull rings ] .... Now that seems to be a lot of money.. But there are rings there worth way more than $300... Besides ,,out of all my rings I want to keep these the most! I will probably keep half and let the others go.. I have some time to decide... He wants me to let him know whats left after the show.............

The auctions get you the most money. Sometimes outrageous prices. They get their 20% and you get your money.. But time.. They use their own photog,,and gets listed in 'upcoming' auctions. It could be 4 months or more before things are finalized.!

So true, in the end, money talks. Especially to people who doesn't know the worth of these historical artifacts, they could easily get fooled if they don't know the true value of things. To collect things it takes not just passion, but time, and time in this world is money. I'm sure you've invested a lot of time and a lot of money to be able to have a such collection as you do. It might be just a ring to your family members, but it means a lot more to you, and to the collectors.

I wouldn't accept that. Even if the price is right i would split it up amongst collectors. Like you said, there's plenty of items that's worth more. Go for the options that gives you the most profit.

Start with the things that's "easy" to find on the market and auction the rarer ones. It's a kind act to let it go to collectors, but never step away from the money, money is the key source to this life, don't let emotions decide the deal, let money talk. If a collector really wants a piece of yours, they will show up with the money you're asking for. I'm sure you know what things are really worth. These things will only grow older with time, and become more antique.

I have occasionally considered selling my collection too. Get rid of it while people still understand and value this hobby and can obtain authentic items from the Third Reich. Based on what I've been seeing for a few years, here on GDC as well as the other ring fora, I have a horrible feeling that, apart from among a few of us here, the hobby is dying the Death Of A Thousand Cuts and that TR rings will start to lose their value. If there aren't enough genuine expert collectors around, the fakers and thieves will have a field day and the hobby could become pointless.

Isn't that happening with all the Third Rich stuff, daggers and all.
None of the younger generations want it.
I always said if you let a 20 year old kid choose between a 1860 Henry rifle (the real thing) and a $750 junk AR15, he will go with the AR.
Just the way things are. I've only been collecting for 30 years this stuff, and everything I want costs a fortune, never going to get it.
The grandkids or great grandkids will go to the pawn shops with it, and take a dime on the dollar.

I don't think the hobby is dying. With new generations comes new social platforms. We're used to forums, while younger gens use Facebook, Reddit, Instagram, Tiktok, Telegram etc. What I can say is that Forums will always die out at one point. They have a lifespan like everything else in this world. I remember when I found this forum, I had to do some digging in order to find it, it doesn't show up easily on Google. History will always gather people, and ww2 collectors will never die out. Though I agree that selling your belongings before going to the afterlife should be considered a good thing if none of your family members are interested in your hobby / passion.

Facebook, tik tik, Instapole,,whatever - what is the big difference between all that and our site or WAF etc.?!?

If anything I think our site and WAF, MFF, etc. have a little better set of rules and are fairer... Some of those other type 'forums' are just so the owner will get items at first shot before anyone else! I'm kidding as I don't know anything about them,,not on FB, or the others...

Here we have Vern. I've never met him but seems to be a great guy, polite, very knowledgeable and, fair.

Dave,, the 'Enforcer'..Someone has to enforce the rules! ] . Some years ago these forums were like the wild wild west. Think my first month as moderator I received thru email 3 death threats! I printed them and still have them!!' Hey we were cutting in to the counterfeiters' profits! and the crooks don't like it. They still don't!

SO if you don't like a site you can leave, find someplace else.. But there is a reason that some sites have been around a very long time.. Look around, think about it..

I started collecting serious at age 15!.. Its 2024,,almost 50 years,,50! Many of you have even more time in and I respect that.. On the forums, at the shows,,at flea markets, bazars etc. Respect, Politeness and being fair, wins out all the time no matter what you collect....

The difference is that the younger generation doesn't use forums as we do. They communicate through other social media. I agree and I second that forums are more serious and comes with great knowledge to be shared amongst the users. It's harder for scammers to infiltrate old forums with "hardcore" collectors. I'm not saying that the forums is bad, I'm just saying that the users will be less with time since the younger generation will accept common social media. I appreciate that forums like these is still around, and I hope it will stick around for decenniums to come, because there's a lot of knowledge to gather here.

I agree with Mahler. GD.C and WAF are great, often with good cross fertilisation, perhaps unfortunately, with the same 4-5 individuals. One problem with the FaceBook TR ring sites, as far as I have seen, it that they are run by pseudo-expert, unscrupulous scumbags who have not a single qualm about telling blatant lies, selling fakes, and generally being... well... scumbags. No moderators or reality checks. No true experts. Just scumbags ripping off less experienced collectors. I can think of at least one of these individuals who crops up here and on other fora using different usernames. Then they are discovered (again) and banned (again).