Translate German to English - Click here to open Altavista's Babel Fish Translator Click here to learn about all those symbols by people's names.

leftlogo.jpg (20709 bytes)

Upgrade to Premium Membership

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Joined: May 2024
Posts: 3
A
OP Offline
A
Joined: May 2024
Posts: 3
After a fair bit of searching, ive found the typeface used on SA & SS daggers.
Its 99% the same with the exception of a few subtle changes.
A variant of a Fraktur typeface designed in 1913-14 and released in 1917.

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 309
Likes: 9
Online Content
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 309
Likes: 9
Several years ago, I studied this issue. Here's what I found out. On standard SA and SS daggers, the Maximalian-Gotisch (or simply Maximilian) font was used. Rudolf Koch (1876–1934), in 1913–1914, developed this typeface and named it in honor of Emperor Maximilian I (1459–1519). The typeface was published in 1917 by the type foundry Gebr. Klingspor.
Since there were no computers at that time, artists made slight deviations when drawing fonts. Therefore, the fonts on the blades and the computer photos are slightly different.

Rudolph Koch.png (130.64 KB, 124 downloads)
Maximilian Koch.gif (221.17 KB, 124 downloads)

Buy Casberg sketches.
1 member likes this: Piper
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 309
Likes: 9
Online Content
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 309
Likes: 9
The designer also made another variation of his font in memory of his brother - Wilhelm Klingspor Gotisch. Work on it was carried out from 1920 to 1926, in memory of his brother Karl Klingspor, who died in 1925, the typeface was published as Wilhelm Klingspor Gothic

Both fonts are very similar and can be the basis for fonts on daggers. We are unlikely to know which one without additional research.

What's much more difficult is finding the font base for the Christmas Daggers.

Wilhelm Klingspor Gotisch.gif (113.89 KB, 125 downloads)
Wilhelm Klingspor Gotisch1.jpg (97.73 KB, 122 downloads)
Last edited by den70; 05/08/2024 05:47 PM.

Buy Casberg sketches.
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 309
Likes: 9
Online Content
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 309
Likes: 9
How popular and successful this design is can be judged by the fact that in 2006, design studio Aerotype released its version of this font called Gothicus.

Gothicus — копия.jpg (114.08 KB, 119 downloads)
GothicusSA.jpg (45.94 KB, 119 downloads)
GothicusSS.jpg (45.39 KB, 119 downloads)

Buy Casberg sketches.
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,369
Likes: 15
Offline
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,369
Likes: 15
Yes correct, as you know from your contacts I have a very large archive from a Solingen etcher.
Pictured is just a (FEW) of the many font books used by the etchers (imperial to postwar) I have. Some printed and designed in Solingen. This archive is a real eye-opener..
source documents.... Any time you are in the U.S. stop by..

phpzbVMCYPM.jpg (15.85 KB, 94 downloads)
Last edited by DAMAST; 05/14/2024 02:41 AM.

Collector of Edged Weapon art.
4 members like this: den70, Serge (aka Wagner), AfterMath, seany
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,152
Likes: 29
Offline
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,152
Likes: 29
Great info Den, many thanks for your research on this.


GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310
1 member likes this: den70
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 309
Likes: 9
Online Content
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 309
Likes: 9
Originally Posted by DAMAST
Yes correct, as you know from your contacts I have a very large archive from a Solingen etcher.
Pictured is just a (FEW) of the many font books used by the etchers (imperial to postwar) I have. Some printed and designed in Solingen. This archive is a real eye-opener..
source documents.... Any time you are in the U.S. stop by..

Thank you very much. I really appreciate your offer as I know your collection of documents is amazing. I think some of the answers can be found there. But unfortunately, I can only get into this Aladdin’s cave after the war...


Buy Casberg sketches.

Link Copied to Clipboard
Popular Topics(Views)
2,315,288 SS Bayonets
1,813,831 Teno Insignia Set
1,182,233 westwall rings
Latest New Threads
RZM 807/36 opinions
by Northwoods715 - 01/18/2025 01:25 AM
New member from Wisconsin
by Northwoods715 - 01/18/2025 01:03 AM
NathanP for imperial troddel
by NathanP - 01/16/2025 07:00 AM
Dagger Background and Value
by JimmersTR - 01/16/2025 06:05 AM
Some boxed rings
by Gaspare - 01/11/2025 02:42 AM
Latest New Posts
Organizational Pins/Badges. A new beginning.
by derjager - 01/18/2025 11:22 PM
Medals and Badges against a background.
by derjager - 01/18/2025 10:54 PM
New member from Wisconsin
by Gaspare - 01/18/2025 09:09 PM
RZM 807/36 opinions
by Northwoods715 - 01/18/2025 01:26 AM
NathanP for imperial troddel
by derjager - 01/17/2025 04:51 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics31,781
Posts330,972
Members7,699
Most Online5,900
Dec 19th, 2019
Who's Online Now
8 members (The_Collector, seany, den70, Northwoods715, ed773, Dave, fischer, Texasuberalles), 99 guests, and 120 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5