UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons SA & NSKK Dagger Forum Socalled "Christmas" SA offered currently at H.W.

Hello gents, there is currently an socalled "christmas" SA offered at HW. I don´t want to buy it, just for discussion, what are your thoughts?
Regards,

I don't read German that well. So, What I see:

- An Eickhorn partially ground Rohm inscription blade.

- What may be Eickhorn guards with the usual enlarged grooves and an "Fr" mark that looks very precise.

- A grip with an eagle that does not match that in any prototype that I have ever seen.

- A scabbard showing much loss of finish

What do you see ?

Dave

Transl.: It is a very early production of the CarlEickhorn firm, a socalled "christmas dagger"!!! Beside some regions of age a very clean blade clear slogan "A.f.D.", makermark Carl Eickhorn, the dedication "In heatfelt comradeship"still well to see, the name "Ernst Röhm" has been erased, nickle fittings, the crossguard stamped "Fr" for regiongroup Franken, original set in emblems SA and early eagle, blued (I think should be "bräuniert") scabbard with nickle fittings. The dagger owns only little traces of age/usage, very well preserved, cond.2. Extremely rare!!! Price on request.

I am no expert on these, I have never owned one. Just out of interest I wonder what others think about this piece. My observations mainly concentrates on the grip. In regard of the overall condition of this dagger te grip looks remarkably well preserved. When looking in detail on the emblems I wonder if the wood has been restored. i am also no fan of the grip to crossgards fit. The grip looks to me more like one of the typical RZM era grips. I do not have the least idea concerning the blade, could it be original or an artificially aged fake???
Regards,

my two cents, looks like a parts dagger. the grip to fittings are not tight/flush. especially at the top to big of gap, eagle looks like it's glued looking around the edge of eagle/wood fit, For an Eickhorn the craftmanship doesn't seem to be there. Doesn't compare to the early type SA's I've had in the past. Wither it's a special SA couldn't go that far.

Anyone else ? Usually these generate some interesting observations.

Dave

Without going into details about the blade and its originality. Let's dwell on whether this is a Christmas dagger or not. My opinion is that this is an ordinary ground Roem, into which an eagle was inserted, which LOOKS SIMILAR to the earlier version. To increase the cost of a regular SA dagger with the ground dedication of Roem.

Agree, Den,

It is not an Eickhorn "Christmas" dagger.

- Wrong eagle
- Wrong trademark
- Wrong motto

I suspect that the grip is a replacement because of its fit and shape.

And I disagree with Mr. Weitze's description "The dagger owns only little traces of age/usage, very well preserved".

Has anyone requested the price ?

agree with Dave

Yes, that is a pure fabrication: that grip with reproduction Christmas eagle was added to a lower quality Eickhorn partial Röhm, in an attempt to boost the price.

Mr Weitze's reputation is further degrading rapidly by offering obvious fabrications like this dagger...

Pretty soon Helmut Weitze will join Kai Winkler in reputation a real shame what greed does to people in this "hobby/business"

Thank you for all that looked and contributed. Even for me did smell something wrong although I am not familiar with such certain variants. I really wonder how such a frankenstein can do it into any dealer´s offers...
Regards,

Wotan,

You would be greatly surprised at the fake "variants" that are being sold today of these great SA daggers ... and even SS daggers.

Some of this is because of collectors like myself who own one and have studied them, but do not publish details that help the fakers.

Thanks for posting.

Dave

Dave, I do remember well the old days of GD.C during which we all could learn a lot from each other´s knowledge which was generously parted in public... Now it is even a ridge walk way to show rare items (without telling details) because of the danger that they are immediately copied. And although the experienced collectors who had done their homework mostly are able to recognize fakes it is not funny to see a rare item faked at each corner.
At least there is a knowledge exchange between trustful collectors in a private frame possible.
Regards,