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We have a thread of badges from the 3rd Reich period I though that I'd post a few from before that time.

In my search for Tiroler badges from 1938-44 I sometimes come across those from before those dates (usually obtained amongst groups of badges that I need).

As most of you know, the Landesschießen festivals were not a National Socialist invention, they had been held for many, many years prior to the Anschluß. Here are a couple of 3rd Klasse (bronze grade) badges from the 1937 Landesschießen. The top one is for Kleinkaliber & the lower for Armeegewehr...

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On the other hand, I have no idea which festivals these were from. I do not think that they were from the Landesschießen...

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Don, what was the difference between the Landesschießen and the Bundesschiessen events?

Good looking festival badges. H.SCH.G. ?

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To be frank Joe, I do not know, it's not an area that I've delved that deeply into (as you know, I try to stick to '38-'44). I suspect that it is the same thing, possibly just renamed during that period. Or maybe as the Landesschießen was the Tiroler State shoot, the Bundesschießen could have been the equivilant for the whole of Austria, I just don't know, sorry.


Perhaps Mikee or Bill may know the answer to that one....

Below is a poster for the Bundesschießen held in Innsbruck in 1937. I took this in the Zueghaus Museum in Innsbuck.... It gives the dates as 27th June - 6th July. The Landesschießen in '38 & '39 was held in Sept & Oct respectively, so it could be an additional event....

As to H.SCH.G. I've no idea either. It is shooting related because of the target, & the Wappen is for Innsbruck, but that is all I can say.

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Thank you Don.

Nice poster image.

To the H.SCH.G. since I assume J. Meister is for Jung Meister I would also assume SCH. could be for school. (?).

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Yes I agree Jung Meister. SCH could be schule, could be schützen, could be schiessen.... Or something else. If I get time I'll ask my friend at the achive in Innsbruck to see if he knows.

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Hi Don,
Did you discover more information or uncover any different badges?

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Unfortunately not Jo, been a quiet time shooter wise I'm afraid.

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Don,

It's always great to see your latest shooting badges, medals and pins. As you said, there's a lot of history to them and the high quality designs are certainly top notch.

Personally, I believe that interest in shooting medals has started to increase over the past few years, especially as the quality of counterfeit NS medals, badges and pins continues to get better by leaps and bounds. Schützen-related awards and decorations are still a relatively safe harbor for collectors to spend their hard earned money on. Making a single mistake on a Luftwaffe badge can cost dearly these days. Who can afford to loose five-hundred to a thousand dollars on a worthless piece o' junk? For that kind of money one can build a very nice collection of imperial, Weimar and TR shooting awards.

To answer the Landesschiessen/Bundesschiessen question, I'll try to explain so that we have a better understanding between the two tiers.

Territorial (Landes) and Federal (Bundes) Shooting Competitions.

The word “Bund” has two definitions, one simply means a club or group. The other sense of the word is a State (national) or Federal organization, which is closer to the meaning we are looking for.

Therefore, the “Bund” is the higher organizational level, which can be composed of various countries or smaller national, regional factions.

Example: “Der Bund Deutscher Schützen,” or “The Club of German Shooters,” is a nationally active organization. It stands as the largest and most important factor of the Bundesschiessen events. In part only the authorized winners of Landesschiessen or regional events may go on to participate and compete at the highest or Bundes-level.

Hope this gives us a better perspective ... wink

Best regards and good collecting!

Bill W.

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Hi Bill,

Thank you for your kind words & the information, very interesting & much appreciated.

I agree with your comments re the growing popularity of the badges, they are indeed becoming more difficult to find & in turn, increasingly more expensive which alas will attract the fakers.

For years there has been a couple of fake Kreisschießen badges floating about. Namely the Reutte 1943 & Kufstein 1944, however I have recently seen examples what I believe to be a fake Meistershütze 1944....

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Just been reading through this old thread & realised that I did not post the badge that belonged to the poster above, sorry.

Enjoy!

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Thank you Don.

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I might as well put this one up as well Scheibenstutzen 3rd class (bronze grade) 1937

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Don,

Always a pleasure seeing your latest posts, mighty fine! wink

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Don, is that hand grinding or filing or shear marks on the reverse outer edges?

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Thank you Gentlemen.

I think that it is where they have been hand finished with a file. The reverses are quite vaulted & it is where the edges flatten out.


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The reverse finish is interesting. I thought it might be a way to ID unmarked badges. Perhaps not though. Looks like By the 40's A. Klammer was turning out flat back badges like others.
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Yes, later badges tend to be flatter to the reverse. The quality if their workmanship declined to a degree during the 40's as well. Even the maker mark was stamped with less care than on earlier pieces. I've no idea why this was, maybe work load or lack of skilled labour?

At some point there was some sort of co-operation with Karl Pichl as well, several badges can be found with both names on. I've not looked into this yet, maybe a question for when I am next at the archives in Innsbruck.


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I've just had a group of mainly non NS shooting badges arrive. As these are not my collecting area they will need to find new homes at some point.

However while I still have them I thought that I would post them here for anyone like myself who may not have seen these designs before.

There are more badges in the group but I will post them later. If anyone would like to see any in particular in detail let me know.

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Hi Don, I see a couple of interesting badges. The Gaumeister would be one to see up close.

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Here you go Joe.

It's dated 1933 at the bottom. What doesn't really show is the sunburst cut under the green enamel.

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Marked to Wernstein Jena

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Don,

I agree with Joe, that Thüringen Gau badge is very nice and my favorite of the lot, too.

Thanks for posting these, looking forward to seeing the others when you get a chance.

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Thank you Don, a good looking badge. It has our old friend the square pin plate.

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Thank you Gentlemen.

Until I get the time to scan the rest I thought that I'd post a couple of others from this group that are already scanned.

Thinking about it some of these should have been in the other thread... Sorry.

Here's a nice one dated October 1942, I've lightened it a little to show the writing.

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Don, I just love these badges, you have one great collection and thanks for always sharing.

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Thank you...

I was looking at these pieces again today & this one is an interesting piece. Dated 1936 however if you look closely it looks as though the die has possibly been converted from a 1935.

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I like the 42 oak leaf and acorn badge. It escaped without a swas. smile

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Yes it is nice isn't it. The closer I looked at these I realise that most of them are from withing the NS period just without a Swaz. Feel free to move them to the other thread if you wish, sorry about that.

Here are some more stickpins from the group, mainly klein kaliber pieces I think. The ones with the green wreath with the DJB are honour pins for the "Deutchen Jugend Bundes im KKS"

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Here are the last of the group...

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Gents,

The Police also had various prizes for sports competition, including shooting. Here is a Klein Kaliber Shooting award for the Weimar Republic period Schutzpolizei. It is a silver plaque that had a chain to go around the neck of a bottle of wine to be given as the prize. The winner could drink the prize and retain the silver award as a momento.

The other photos show a sword that was given to a Prussian Gemeindepolizei (Gempo) officer as a shooting prize. This is a standard Eickhorn sword with an inscription on the inside of the guard.

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A couple of very interesting pieces there. The bottle plaque is a nice & I imagine quire a rare piece.

Thanks for showing them.

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Guess this kind of fits in after seeing some from your grouping.

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It certainly does Joe. A very nice piece, & a very similar design to the ones that I got in the group.

Thank you for posting it.

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