#35973
09/26/2009 05:29 PM
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Gentleman, I'd like to ask you for help because of translation problems (german to english) in forthcoming publication. As we all know the common used, but technically WRONG term for SA/SS scabbards is "anodised". It needs just a little effort to check on internet, what anodising IN FACT is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anodizing As one can see, it is a process applied mainly to ALUMINIUM. It's the way the surface of aluminium object is prepared (using direct current - the word ANODE) for further coloring. It is NOT a useful treatment for iron or carbon steel (which scabbards are made of). I'm not trying to play expert or anything, I'm just looking for CORRECT name for honest and accurate translation of the original german word "brunierung". Brunierung is a strictly chemical treatment (using acid or alkali compositions) of iron which creates black or brown oxide surface, a kind of "noble" rust. This is also a term used by Ralf Siegert in his very best up to date refference on SA daggers. Once again, I don't mind calling the SA scabbards "anodised" on the forum, but I'd like to use a correct word in refference publication, so I'll be more than gratefull for help from someone with knowledge of metal staining (some firearms are finished that way too).
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#35974
09/26/2009 05:58 PM
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Think term is browned as in blued for gun parts
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#35975
09/26/2009 06:15 PM
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Hi 777, I have always known it as "cold rust browning",nats
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#35976
09/26/2009 09:28 PM
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Bingo! Thank you, nats
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#35977
09/26/2009 11:19 PM
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Anodized ? One of the inaccurate terms used in the hobby, but since it has been used for many years, it will probably endure.
I have heard various other descriptions to describe early SA/SS/NSKK/RAD scabbards but I am not sure that "rust browning" or "rust blacking" do the job.
But to see an early dagger with full "anodization" and the protective lacquer covering is a treat.
Dave
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#35978
09/27/2009 04:59 AM
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A �browned� or a �blued� (sometimes called blue/black or black oxide) finish will probably do the job for most everyday uses in the (American) English language. With the Germans at some point dropping rust bluing as too costly and an impediment to more rapid production, going instead to a hot chemical dip blue (black oxide).
When I first became a forum member the misuse of �anodized� used to drive me crazy, with the German word �eloxieren� actually referring to anodizing. I don�t react as much as I used to. Because at least some individuals now recognize that the term has no relation to the world outside - and is a language spoken only among dagger collectors.
It was simply individuals that did not understand what they were looking at who first coined the phrase. Probably (my personal opinion only) inspired by the one time popular series of anodized aluminum household beverage containers which had a similar appearing finish.
Likewise the use of �burnishing� by some I believe is a mistranslation of Br�nierung. Which refers to browning, which in (UK) English and European use, refered to both the blued and browned finishes. Being simply a dark chemical finish. Instead of the more common English usage of burnishing as polishing. FP
Below: Some of the different blued finishes.
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#35979
09/27/2009 06:06 AM
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Thank you, "browning" shall also do the job, since similar german word "braunierung" is also being used for brown finish, as "brunierung" can be both black or brown.
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