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#359747 11/16/2023 03:09 PM
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Looking around I actually saw some authentic WWII german rings for sale on an US auction!!. Prices were very high,,but maybe thats what they are now..

anyway,,, While looking around I saw this.. - A fake Laurin mark [Ln].. Looks like they were trying very hard.. * We know what the real ones look like*. The mark represents a finely made and finished ring..

So, forget the other 2 marks look at the band. Streaky, just about unfinished, unpolished, thick... No way a Ln mark would be on that band..

Be careful out there guys..........

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well what you know! I posted it already! On this well thought out fake
https://forum.germandaggers.com/ubb...;Words=Laurin&Search=true#Post358050

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lets see here:

Can any member see this well enough to do a translation for us?! Even a partial translation?! Much thanks in advance!

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This one a little easier?

- anyone that can do a little translation??

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Originally Posted by Gaspare
This one a little easier?

- anyone that can do a little translation??

The text in the first ad you posted is pretty blurry and indistinct Gaspare. I can't make a lot of it out. This one says:

Laurin jewellery

Recognisable by the Laurin stamp

The Laurin stamp is only awarded to those pieces of jewellery that meet very specific conditions for material and durability

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Svb,,,yeah I couldn't get it any clearer.. The 2nd is a bit better..

- - Thanks so much for the translation .

The stamp Transends'' all jewelers. - They all could use it....BUT,, there must have been some type of governing body .. Otherwise some jeweler could make a real POS piece, some real junk,,,and simply put the Ln stamps on it!!
I've looked a few times, done a small amount of research, but could not find really anything.. - There must have been standards, or penalty if if the stamp was used incorrectly,,, .A fine, suspension,, loss of manufacture licence [?] something!!!.

IF any one of you have seen it, or have it saved, it sure would be nice for us all to see it... Meanwhile,,I'll continue to check around, do what research I can,,there must be something out there...

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going thru some old files I came across this:

This is very well done!.. - An already worn [snakes&skull ring] had this added a while before then they carried on after a while with the rest of the aging. A really good job , certain to fool many beginners and some experienced!!

Red line = fake Laurin mark [Ln] ,, and blue line the maker [F*] in rounded off rectangle......


SO,, be careful of what the counterfeiters call the 'truth'... Ask them to explain how the inside of stamp ages well before the rest of the ring whistle

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Here an example of a original Laurin stamp. I don't know if the stamp is molded with the production of the brooch or stamped later on.

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kind of looks like its stamped in. That is really a beautiful piece of jewelry. .

- Well thought out too,,,the 'bumps' on each side of the main circle inner,,is to support the long pin..

- Maybe the guys would like to see such a nice piece a little better [I would].. IF you'd like [up to you of course] maybe a bigger/better straight shot of front [?] ..

OR, maybe its own topic ,,thats got nothing to do with a fake Laurin mark thats for sure smile., thanks., G.

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Ok, G. I'll make a new topic.

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A decent copy of a Lion head ring with the fake Ln mark and copy box....

The seller is pretty slick,,I tried but can't copy the photos or even the title for a link!!!

- * This on U.S. eBay:

"Original WW2 German Kriegsmarine Battleship Schnellboot Silver 800 Lion Ring"


1st,, be careful of the ring AND this box.... 2nd we have to be careful as its just a short time and they will be making the Ln mark smaller! mad It still won't be perfect but just be careful..

- ****** IF anyone can put a shot of the Ln mark on and one shot of the ring that would be great for the other members to see!!

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OK Gaspare, "Original WW2 German Kriegsmarine Battleship Schnellboot Silver 800 Lion Ring".

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Original WW2 German Kriegsmarine Battleship Schnellboot Silver 800 Lion Ring
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Original WW2 German Kriegsmarine Battleship Schnellboot Silver 800 Lion Ring
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Original WW2 German Kriegsmarine Battleship Schnellboot Silver 800 Lion Ring
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C.J.W. ,,, You da man!! grin

Really,, thanks so much.. I guess thats how everyone will soon be listing on eBay.. - I was going to try a screen shot. Is that how you obtained them?


_ *** So thanks to C.W. we now have photos... - *** The pattern itself is correct. Detail good. But a copy.. The seller has a whole bunch of different patterns ,,same box etc.
Inner band differs from the authentic... Has spurious 'Berlin' and date markings ... Also it has the overly large Ln marking.. It will take them a short bit of time but eventually we'll start to see them with the Ln in the proper size!

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Well, gees, look where they are from, Repo center of the universe.

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Gaspare,

to save an image, click on the larger auction image, then on my top right corner of computer screen is "Settings and more". Scroll down and click on to "Web capture". Wait until more icons appear, then find "Save" box on top right to download. Then click on the "Documents" and find the Web capture you want and click on "Preview" and use Microsoft office "Picture manager", then click on right bar of keypad to "Edit", "Crop" and "Resize". Then left side "Save as", then screen askes "Do you want to save changes?".

I have been doing this for about 1 year. Another way is "Settings and more" then "Tools" and "Save page as".

Web capture works when "Save page as" doesn't.

I have no computer training, just 6 years' experience on Ancestry.com and Find A Grave web sites where I spent many 10-hour days and learned on my own.

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C.W. , I'm on the '23 and Me'.. Gets you hooked in. I found a few 1st cousins, 2nd cousins. Don't look further than that..

Yes I'll give it a try web capture, save page.... Thanks again so much..


Many of us use this mark as criteria for authentication. With some experience you'll know that mark is bogus as soon as you see it! For new collectors its best to go on a 'silver site' They are mainly silverware, but the bigger ones have different categories for the silver, jewelry, what type,, Europe, UK, US and after you see the quality of the Ln marked pieces and the only maybe 2 variants of the Ln mark it IS helpful then to use for authentication.

I've already gotten a nasty email stating,,"keep showing these counterfeiters how to do it right and we might as well stop collecting now!"
- * Makes me question, are we doing right??

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Originally Posted by Gaspare
… I've already gotten a nasty email stating,,"keep showing these counterfeiters how to do it right and we might as well stop collecting now!"
- * Makes me question, are we doing right??
People who send nasty email are pricks, regardless. And I think, yes, we are doing the right thing. That ‘We’re helping the the fakers and thieves‘ argument is a cliché. They will carry on producing crap rings irrespective of anything we show. Why should we let the fakers control or worse, limit, the forum as a helpful and educational centre for experienced collectors and novices?

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yeah I hear you.. - * As I mentioned ,,they might make the Ln mark smaller but it will still be missing something!


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