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Hello,
Just want to share 3 different dagger from the NPEA or Napolas, Nationalpolitische Erziehungsansalten Schüler
The first plain grip is from a student, ST 173 = Stuhm; the second is from a teacher with the eagle and the third with chains from a leader.
All three are made by KARL BUSCHMÜLLER BERLIN - CHARLOTTENBURG 5
Thanks for looking.
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The pictures are not great but a few observations. The Stuhm school abbreviation is questionable since the font is completely incorrect to known examples. The chained leader scabbard center fitting is incorrect for a Bergsmüller, it more resembles an Eickhorn. Both frogs are not NPEA but look to be from K98 bayonets.
Have you checked inside to see the tang marks and inner crossguard marks?
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Hrllo
Thank you, interesting comments
No I dif not check the inside of cross guards as I never
dismantled them.
I will think about.
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I googled NPEA dagger with frog and got some ratisbon, ima, alamy that's look like mine
I have bayonets with frogs but are a bit longer than these one
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I dismantled the daggers,
the crossguards are all stamped R.A. I saw that the one stamped St 173 was on the wrong side.
I take the opportunity to clean them and screw them by hand.
You have to take some attention making that, the woods are glued to the cross guards and taking apart are not easy.
Hoping that the post about the sides of eaches are correct...
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Correction : there are P. A. and not R. A.
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I don’t have my references handy but I’m not sure P and A are marks typically seen on Bergsmüller NPEA daggers. I do believe there should be noticeable tang marks on period blades but I don’t see any. Are the tangs marked?
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reopen only the grip of chained one to see the tang
my camera looks better than me
1 on the trade mark part
2 on the part of blade large written
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As already stated by Billy G, the scabbard of the chained NPEA is clearly either an EICKHORN one or an WMW. Never a BURGSMUELLER (different "ramp" fitting). The color of the chained NPEA looks way off. The fonts of the middle "N.P.E.A." are not comparable to any doubtless originals I have seen. The same, as already mentioned by Billy G,for the ST (Stuhm).
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Hello,
Thanks answering, appreciated observations and comments.
Don't trust of the colors it depends from lightening or exposure,( there are not easy to make good pictures).
I post an another one and you can see
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Those tang marks are not what I would expect on a Bergsmüller blade. Did the daggers come from a reputable source?
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Those bold well shaped tang marks are fakes. Here is a shot of the tang marks on a reproduction Jacobs blade.
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For sure I don't get the warm fuzzy with this one. Hope you have return options.
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Yes for sure it's just for showing what you get with photo app. Using enhance contrast or focusing program.
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For sure I don't get the warm fuzzy with this one. Hope you have return options.
Bret Van Sant Those tang marks are not what I would expect on a Bergsmüller blade. Did the daggers come from a reputable source? No, I own them from many years and from different sources.
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I hate to be the one to tell you, but none of these are period original NPEA Daggers
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I hate to be the one to tell you, but none of these are period original NPEA Daggers Wow! Too Bad It's a 3 Striker.
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