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It occurred to me while admiring Joe's cased medal here that we do not often see any of the multitude of music/singing related pins, badges & medals that are out there. So I thought that I would start a thread with a couple from my collection. I will endeavour to post more here as I dig them out & scan them. If you have any items related to this area, please share them here...

First of all a group of Thüringen DSB pins that I have accumulated over the years. From left to right, the standard membership badge with pin back & stickpin alongside the "honour" pin. Then we have two variants, one with red enamel wordinng & the last with a narrow Swastika. The reverses are unmarked in any way so I will not use up space posting them unless someone wishes to see them. The red enamel example is so far, the only one that I have come across.

I do not generally collect tinnies, but picked this one up as it showed the Thüringen symbol. It's nicely marked to Brehmer, Markneukirchen on the pin plate....

Finally (for now) a tiny stickpin for Oberschwaben Kreis 30. The markings on the reverse are to faint to make out.

Nice examples Don.
I have one Thüringen DSB pin. Was not aware there were variants.
I will have to see what I do have in the collection. I do not recall any tinnies. That is a nice one.

--dj--Joe

I have the normal Thuringen honor pin. Here is the reverse.
--dj--Joe

I also have these two. Not positive what the small example is for. Have seen one other with a gold oakleaf.

--dj--Joe

Hi Joe, thank you for sharing your pieces. The reveres of my Thüringen pieces are identical to yours, no markings whatsoever. The small stickpin is nice, looks like the silver grade to me? I suspected that they existed but do not recall ever seeing one. The reason for my suspicions is that I once saw one with a bronze leaf.... I believe that I have one with a gold leaf somewhere, if I do I will scan it & post it here when it surfaces to the top of whichever stickpin box it is hiding in.....

Nice Baden piece as well. I believe the reverse is marked to E.Schmidhausler, Phorzheim?

Here is a fairly common & somewhat contraversial piece. Also for the Badischer Sängerbund but with an added Swastika. The question is when were the Swastikas added, during the period or postwar to bump the price & interest.... This is the gold one, marked 800 on the reverse. The can be also be found without the gilding with the 800.

Another piece attibuted to Baden is this. A silver honour badge marked Brehmer, Markneukirchen on the pin plate. They can also be found in gold grade, but alas I have never found one....

Nice Baden pieces Don. I will have to dig my example out to see how it is marked. Wherever it may be hiding.

Bronze, silver, (my example) and gold leafs on the small unnamed pins. Do you feel they may be generic event awards.

I have one other from the period. If informed correctly it is, Deutscher Arbeiter-Sängerbund (German Workers Singer Union) which was a communist association ended in 1933.
Will have to locate it also to see if it is marked.

--dj--Joe

That's a nice piece Joe, a new one for me.

I've no idea about the leaf pin. Could be a generic piece, or something made for a specific local contest.... Maybe one day a document may turn up with an image of one on it to solve the mystery.

D

If a document does pop up I would bet on you to find it.

The reverse of the little leaf pin is marked, MANNHEIM K'LAUTERN

You are correct about the Baden piece being marked, E.Schmidhausler, Phorzheim.

--dj--Joe

Thank you for the confirmation of the Baden maker. Schmidhausler, is probably best remembered for making large pieces such as the Heavy Athletics badges, but they were also a prolific manufacturer of small pins. As well has a number of music related stickpins, we can find a multitude of shooting pins made by them.

Thank you also for looking at the leaf pin, I had forgotten that they were marked.

D

Thank you, Don, for starting this topic. Unfortunately, I have no other sangerbund-related pins.

I wonder if there are other year designations for the Oberschwaben Kreis 30, SSB pins?

--dj--Joe

I have a couple more but I won't post them now, firstly I have to find them, plus it may help to stretch the thread out for a little longer .

I've never seen another number on a Oberschwaben, but I guess that there must be some. I have seen another SSB 30 for a different area, Neckarkries I believe, that one had blue enamel....

Don

We might even get some more collectors to share their examples.

--dj--Joe

Another of the "when was the Swastika added" pieces.... DSB Gau I Ostpreussen. I've seen them with a variety of different style Swastikas in the centre of the S, or treble clef, & also without a Swastika.... Marked on the pin plate to Carl Poellath, Schrobenhausen. Quite large badges around an inch & a half. There is some damage to the Swastika on this one, possibly an attempt to de-nazify it?

Don

De-nazify it or tighten it up. Being riveted they might tend to rotate.

--dj--Joe

You could be right there Joe.

Here's another piece that I have. To my knowledge there are two other designs out there, however I have only ever been able to find this version. DSB for Kreis Nürnberg in Gau Franken with a full laurel wreath surround. Manufactured by Lauer of Nürnberg.

Here for reference are the images that I have of the other two designs. One poor quality scan from Hüsken's catalogue which has a three quater wreath surround & the other taken from a dealer site who had sold the piece just before I spotted it

Don,,, on the DSB Gau I Ostpreussen piece,,,,is the big cross in black enamel?

Yes Gaspare, both the large central cross & the Swastika are enamel.

I have seen none of those variants. The last one you show has a lot of visuals, a rope (cord) and tassel, a lyre, the ribbon band, and laurel leaves without berries.
What are the two cities wappen other than Nurnberg? They look familiar.

( I'm guessing the blue shield with the gold or yellow eagle could represent the (eagle with the king's head) of the greater Wappen of Nurnberg. The half-eagle shield with red and white bars being the lesser wappen of the city). Got it, the half-red and three white (peaks). Franconia.

Thanks for showing them, Don.

--dj--Joe

You have always been sharper than I at figuring out wappens Joe. I have never had the patience to spend the time researching them, so thank you for looking for them And yes, there is indeed a lot going on with that last piece. I would love to be able to find one, but doubt that I will.

When I spotted this little stickpin I initially thought that it was a mini for the Nürnbergs above. However once I had it under my loupe I realised that it was for another area, Gau XIV, Magdeburg-Anhalt. Unmarked to the reverse.

Nice stick pin, Don. More runic on the S.

--dj--Joe

Thank you Joe, yes they haven't used the S as a semi quaver here.

Don

Here it is, I knew there was a gold one somewhere.

Reverse marked as you said Joe, to Frederick Mannheim, Kaiserlautern. I've lightened the close up reverse shot to show the mark better.

As I mentioned earlier, I once spotted a bronze grade but was beaten to it.... The leaf on those matches the colour of the Lyre. If your silver ever needs a new home Joe, just let me know, it will always be welcome this side of the pond....