Translate German to English - Click here to open Altavista's Babel Fish Translator Click here to learn about all those symbols by people's names.

leftlogo.jpg (20709 bytes)

Upgrade to Premium Membership

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Joined: Mar 2023
Posts: 4
A
Agzo79 Offline OP
OP Offline
A
Joined: Mar 2023
Posts: 4
Hello, I am new in this forum.
Need some info on this knive, a "gaucho" knife, about 30 cm blade, with no other mark than Germany Solingen and a small circle with two opposite arrows, hope someone will help.
Thank you

20230317_180644_1_27.jpg (78.69 KB, 150 downloads)
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 780
Likes: 26
E
Offline
E
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 780
Likes: 26
I am not a expert, but if it is marked Germany, it is most likely post war.
Ed

Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Online Content
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Hello, Agzo. Welcome to GDC.

Gaucho knives are a very interesting subject. Many variations over 100+ years. We do not see too many here.

Can you show the entire knife ?

Thanks, Dave

Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 6,781
Likes: 38
Online Content
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 6,781
Likes: 38
Listed as a post war mark for Gebr. Noelle GmbH.


[Linked Image from germandaggers.com]
Visit us at www.GermanDaggers.com
Contact me at Vern@GermanDaggers.com
Joined: Mar 2023
Posts: 4
A
Agzo79 Offline OP
OP Offline
A
Joined: Mar 2023
Posts: 4
Hi! Thank you Vern, where did you find that info?

Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 6,781
Likes: 38
Online Content
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 6,781
Likes: 38
I have several books covering German makers from the 1700s until around 1980 wink


[Linked Image from germandaggers.com]
Visit us at www.GermanDaggers.com
Contact me at Vern@GermanDaggers.com
Joined: Oct 2022
Posts: 43
Likes: 4
C
Offline
C
Joined: Oct 2022
Posts: 43
Likes: 4
Originally Posted by ed773
I am not a expert, but if it is marked Germany, it is most likely post war.
Ed

I have no idea which war you are meaning, Ed. Possibly WW II ?
Anyway I doubt that the country of origin's marking 'GERMANY' is a realistic option to date a knife.


Originally Posted by Vern
Listed as a post war mark for Gebr. Noelle GmbH.

Arrows are showing up in German trade mark directories in many different positions and combinations, such as the following couply by Gebr. Noelle:

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Both of these are different to the illustration of this thread.
I would be pleased to complete my files with the additional Noelle Broths.' trademark that you are referring to, Vern,and possible registration number and date.

The location's marking 'SOLINGEN' below the illustrated trademark does convince me, that Gebr. Noelle was not the manufacturer of this post's knife. This cutler of table ware was located in Luedenscheid, c. 100 miles away from Solingen.

I regret that in my files I could not yet track a German cutler's matching trademark showing a circle with two arrows so far.

Last edited by chevalier2022; 03/21/2023 11:02 AM. Reason: typing error
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 780
Likes: 26
E
Offline
E
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 780
Likes: 26
Chevalier

Generally, when we see a knife with a mark "Germany", it is a sign the knife was produced after World War Two.
That is commonly seen on HJ knives and Bayonets.
I was not referring to the arrow, rather the marked word Germany.
I am sure that is NOT written in stone, but is mostly the case.
Ed

Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 6,781
Likes: 38
Online Content
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 6,781
Likes: 38
The only reference I have with the double arrow through circle mark is a Xerox copy of the Solingen Blade Makers Directory dated 1950.


[Linked Image from germandaggers.com]
Visit us at www.GermanDaggers.com
Contact me at Vern@GermanDaggers.com
Joined: Nov 2022
Posts: 443
Likes: 10
C
Offline
C
Joined: Nov 2022
Posts: 443
Likes: 10
Pages 61-62, "German Knife and Sword Makers, 1850-1945", (J. Anthony Carter), notes:

Marks such as MADE IN GERMANY often show the item was sold during the the last quarter of the 19th century. The Merchandise Marks Act, passed in Britain in 1887.

In January 1891 the USA also required the country of origin on imported goods and on November 23, 1921, amended the rule to include MADE IN in addition to the country of origin. These requirements are still enforced.

As a collector of antique to vintage clay tobacco pipes I have been aware of these marks on clay tobacco pipes. Pipes made before these laws will only have the makers town or city marks and not the country of origin.

Last edited by C. Wetzel-20609; 03/22/2023 03:24 AM. Reason: spelling correction.
Joined: Mar 2023
Posts: 4
A
Agzo79 Offline OP
OP Offline
A
Joined: Mar 2023
Posts: 4
Thanks to everyone who has taken time to answer this topic. We can say that this piece is manufactured between 1891 and 1921?

Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Online Content
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
It would be easier to date this knife if we could see the entire knife.

Dave

Last edited by Dave; 03/22/2023 06:34 PM.
Joined: Mar 2023
Posts: 4
A
Agzo79 Offline OP
OP Offline
A
Joined: Mar 2023
Posts: 4
Here goes another photo

20230317_180709_20_1_60.jpg (45.9 KB, 59 downloads)
Joined: Oct 2022
Posts: 43
Likes: 4
C
Offline
C
Joined: Oct 2022
Posts: 43
Likes: 4
Originally Posted by Vern
The only reference I have with the double arrow through circle mark is a Xerox copy of the Solingen Blade Makers Directory dated 1950.

Hello Vern,

Can you please let me know the exact title (or cover) of that 1950 "Solingen Blade Makers Directory"?
I have access to several sources where I might cross-check (or scan) such a reference book.


Link Copied to Clipboard
Popular Topics(Views)
2,261,483 SS Bayonets
1,760,279 Teno Insignia Set
1,128,757 westwall rings
Latest New Threads
Luftwaffe Swords
by Tanker - 03/27/2024 07:29 PM
Paul Weyersberg Heer
by Tanker - 03/27/2024 07:13 PM
HJ Fahrtenmesser,
by OWN - 03/27/2024 07:05 PM
Wir fahren gegen Engelland - Battle of Britain
by Stephen - 03/27/2024 10:06 AM
Hiddensee brooch
by benten - 03/24/2024 04:13 PM
Latest New Posts
Wir fahren gegen Engelland - Battle of Britain
by Gaspare - 03/28/2024 12:34 AM
Paul Weyersberg Heer
by Tanker - 03/27/2024 11:30 PM
Luftwaffe Swords
by Tanker - 03/27/2024 07:29 PM
HJ Fahrtenmesser,
by OWN - 03/27/2024 07:05 PM
Frog question.
by Dutchman - 03/27/2024 03:27 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics31,652
Posts328,702
Members7,501
Most Online5,900
Dec 19th, 2019
Who's Online Now
7 members (Jonesy, Seppi, Documentalist, Vern, Paul, benten, AntonGrabbe), 424 guests, and 63 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5