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I'm not going to go in to basics with / about this ring.. Collectors well know this pattern. Came plain and with Rhinestones.

They were made pre war and during. Depending on when made there are different silver contents,,,early usually high grade.. Interesting is that some do not have the finely polished inner we like to see on our PP rings! and most are hallmarked Fahrner in band

3 weird shots of authentic examples:

This is why I'm posting... The new counterfeits are Very good!
The plain came out very good! The rhinestone example are not as good as the originals but the bands are hallmarked! and are again very close,,,really a SuperFake..

They are so good that so far as, well as a suspicious look,,, this is the only fault. This swelling of the middle ray/ strip is what you must look out for...

Let pray this topic isn't seen by the nefarious! I might even delete it after a short while so get the shot for your files...........

Here is another copy.. This one easy to see.. Might,, might fool a beginner:

. It's the one above we must be careful of. Trying to get more photos of the above ring.........

Thanks for posting the examples, Gaspare.

My opinion is that this ring is original and that there is no issues with this ring.
I know exactly where this ring comes from you posted, it was on dealer site and sold for a high price ( if the current owner would like to sell you can contact me i will buy)

The red arrows area pointed out doesn’t make this ring reproduction or fake in any way just because of the thicker area between the tracks running on ring band, i have same ring with the same.

Here is one of my Fahrner rings that i have owned for last 10 years notice the same thickness between two tracks (see photo)

Let’s not forget we don’t see these Fahrner rings for sale a lot
Currently there is none that you can find for sale that i know of on any site.
The last one i have seen for sale was at that dealer site where i believe this same ring comes from that started this thread.

I privately discussed this exact ring with G. some months ago and also know who's the dealer was selling it.

That said, I stay on G. side........by those pics that ring does not show features expected by a period die struck ring.

Ric

Ric, what are the expected features that period made Fahrner ring needs to have in order for us to say that it is an original ring?

Not saying these rings are good or bad need more pics and of the marks. My observation from just these pics. 1st and 2nd pics or the plain and with rhinestones. Both of the deep smooth groves appear to fan out just like the one ado is showing. The third pic with rhinestones, the groves are not smooth has more detail within and doesn't fan out. Need more pics to study further imo. Any Adverts? Best!

Ado,

when I look at nazi die pressed rings (period made) I need to see clean and perfect details and........referring to supposed original Fahrner by dealer site, what red lines highlight is not acceptable.

You say that your Fahrner ring show the exact same features, but I do not see them.....by your pic.

Ric

P.S. as a note I do not own a Fahrner ring (hopefully one day I will) and when I did notice the one offered by mentioned dealer site , I carefully looked at all pics available, before.......decide to pass on.

....and here's another one recently auctioned in Germany, I decided to leave to someone else.

Ric

Please look at document auctioned along with Fahrner ring

Ric

Ric, are we talking about the thickness of the area between the two tracks or that line that is
at the area? That to me looks like a simple scratch on the ring and has nothing to do with the die.

And that Fahrner ring from the Germany auction you shown looks great would go for it any day.

Wow Ric,

They must have been asking a lot for this one. Thanks for showing it

The Fahrner rings both plain and with rhinestones have been around a very long time.. I have one from the 70s. Andy had 2 with rhinestones also from long ago..

All these old rings were perfect. Side strips/rays what ever you want to call them were perfect. Even, neat etc.

The few showing up recently [and 10 years is nothing] there are a few with this swollen middle strip that are reproductions. This was brought to my attention at a Rock & Gem show [they have tons of jewelry at these shows] A vendor knowing I like 3rd reich items showed me a good one and the fake.. We can agree to disagree but most jewelry collectors of Fahrner pieces consider these reproductions,,,and so do I..
- IF you like it then fine but then anything goes. Where do we draw the line? Where is the criteria?. Again,, if your fine with what you have then great,,enjoy...

Anyone who collects Fahrner rings will know that you cannot base originality of the ring by looking at the Fahrner stamp inside the ring band and think it looks weird because it’s sloppy made.

Here is Fahrner ring that has nothing to do with TR period and has a sloppy Fahrner stamp and there are a lot of them like that, and then there are those with nice and well detailed stamp.

This one for sure does not look fake to me even with Fahrner stamp like that.

For me the stamp has nothing to do with it.... As I mentioned,,we can only give our opinions here... I base mine on a couple things.. everyone develops their own criteria..

[thats a nice ring you show!]

I had a email asking if Fahrner had made any other 3rd reich rings.. As far as I know their 'Swastika' ring with and without rhinestones were the only type ...

Some interesting facts about the firm:

FAHRNER
(Germany, 1855 – 1979)
Founded in Pforzheim, Germany, in 1855 by Georg Seeger and Theodor Fahrner, Sr. (1823 – 1883), the Fahrner company became one of the most successful European jewelry manufacturers of the late-19th and early-20th centuries. Theodor Fahrner, Jr., (1859 – 1919) ran the company from 1883 until his death. It was then sold to Gustav Braendle and renamed Gustav Braendle, Theodor Fahrner Nachfolger (German for “successors”). When Braendle died in 1952, his son Herbert took over. Production ceased after his death in 1979.

Theodor Fahrner, Jr., was a creative and innovative designer and member of the aesthetic reform movement known as Jugendstil, the German name for Art Nouveau. He pioneered the use of eminent artists to design jewelry made partly or entirely by machine. Designers included Joseph Maria Olbrich, Max J. Gradl and Patriz Huber, who were architects and interior designers; Julius Müller-Salem, Bert Joho and Ferdinand Morawe, painters; and Ludwig Habich and Franz Boeres, sculptors. Each designer had a distinctive style. They helped the company gain eminence for its Art Nouveau, Arts and Crafts and Celtic Revival jewelry. A year after winning a silver medal at the Paris World’s Fair in 1900, the company registered the “TF” trademark, which enabled them to export jewelry to Great Britain.

Under Gustav Braendle’s leadership, the firm received acclaim for its striking Art Deco designs in silver or vermeil silver with matte enamel and marcasites, combined with semi-precious stones such as coral, onyx and green agate. In 1932, filigree was added to the inventory. German politics in the 1930s and World War II restricted the company’s design freedom and production output. After the war, the company never regained its earlier success. In the 1950s, a large variety of designs was produced.

- * One of the reasons I stick to the 'warning ring' being a reproduction is. It was made from a working die. When it got messed up another was made from the master. They would all be the same. That design was / is a classic art deco design of the period. That swelling I marked in red above is a fault, a mistake. It is not what the ring was known for..
Anyway if there is one thing we have learned in this forum is to value everyone's opinion. For me that type is a reproduction. For others they like it and its good.. To each their own,,we'll have to agree to disagree...., G.

Yes Gaspare, as far as i know there is only those two type of rings as you mentioned made by Fahrner. As i collect Fahrner jewelry made during the TR i have both style rings, cufflinks, stickpin and pendant made by Fahrner and then Fahrner advert in shape of poster where all of these jewelry pieces are shown. Now is it possible that Fahrner made some private purchase ring for some officer or high ranking member and that is out there that we don’t know about i wouldn’t be surprised. Fahrner was a great jewelry company, they made some nice pieces of jewelry!

Hello, Ado, and welcome to GDC,

Why don't you show us some Fahmer stuff ?

Dave
Admin

Ado,, I agree completely... A great firm that had to 'tone down' its designs during the 3rd reich period! They are a favorite of regular jewelry collectors around the world,,and their pieces have very good value.
It is a shame all their records, tooling and design work was destroyed by bombs at the end of the war........

- Dave. Ado has been a member here a long time and has a wonderful collection. . .Maybe he will show some stuff!,,Ado if you have other Fahrner pieces even if not military theme or not the time period please show them if you can. Their quality and designs are fabulous and the guys would love to see other pieces
..., Thanks ,G.

Thank you Dave, as Gaspare has said i have been member here since 2016 just don’t post much, although i do follow ring community. Thank you Gaspare.

Here is my Fahrner ring collection. The last one on the far right has been Vergolden (gold plated) Probably done by the owner after purchase as Fahrner rings were made in high silver .935

P.S. Just to make it clear i do not own the Fahrner ring that started this thread and that was originally posted by Gaspare.

Very nice indeed Ado.

Ado, it's a pleasure to see your collection !

Thanks, Ado

ado,

Awesome awesome collection. Thanks for showing it.

Yep, very nice.
I kind of think we would be very happy to see these rings a few at a time close up.
There are some really nice rings there.
If you would be so inclined to do so.

Thank you all.

Hi guys,

during Surfing the www I came across this.
It is mentioned as de nazified POW ring.

What do you think?
Br pzb14

pzb14, what that ring you posted has to do with Fahrner or this thread?

I thought it is Fahrner made? Not?

Fahrner hallmarked many of his rings... This I think just has the popular design of the era 'Art Deco'.. - Almost reminds me of the Skull with Rivet ring!!

, Whats really interesting is,, ,,,that sure looks like barb wire around the cartouche of the ring!! Has initials 'PM' [?] and could be his prisoner number underneath!! I really think that is a POW or camp inmate ring!!!

That's a cool ring! I like it it. Barbed wire, initials PM with POW number.

Sorry if it does not match exactly, I thought it is also Fahrner related.
Thanks for your replies.
Pzb14

its fine pzb14,,,has those rays on the side like a Fahrner as was the style art deco,,,so no worries... Usually I'm not in to the campaign , trench made rings but this one is fantastic!

There are a TON of Holocaust related documents.. You can look thru much of it free at the US Holocaust museum site... You got some good info there,,you might be able to find him!!!!