UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons Hunting, Forestry, and Shooting Forum C. Evers, 1927 Schutzen Konig. Gadebusch, Germany

I bought this on eBay in Jan. 2022 for the price of $550.00, I was the only bidder. It was listed as "1928 German Shooting award Presentation dagger Hirschfanger sword Solingen". The seller noted the two inscriptions, "Carl Evers, 1926" on the top scabbard mount and "Seinen Treffsicheren Jagern, Zum 100 Jahr Jubilaum, Hauptmann Hesse, Gadebusch d. 16. 7. 1928" on the bottom scabbard mount.

I almost did not buy this Hirschfanger because it was an unmarked blade and the two different names and dates on the inscriptions had me confused. My research found C. Evers was the 1927 Schutzen Konig of Gadebusch and was listed as born 1879 on the 1919 Gadebusch census. My research of Hauptmann Hesse found a military record for Karl Alexander Hesse, and he was listed as born 1893 on the 1919 Gadebusch census.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that Carl Evers won the 1926 Gadebusch Schutzenfest and was the 1927 Gadebuscher Schutzen Konig and this Hirschfanger was presented to him by Hauptmann (Captain) Hesse in 1928. I also believe this Hirschfanger is an unmarked Carl Eickhorn model Nr. 36.

I was also very lucky to find the "Gadebuscher Schutzenzunft v. 1583 e.V." club patch in March 2022 on eBay in the United Kingdom.

Wetzel,
Very nice find. Hopefully wotan will chime in and help with the translation and his take on it's meaning. I think it says. His Hunters with (very) good aim, For the 100 year Anniversary. Captain Hesse. A lot of members in shooting clubs if not most were also hunters. It doesn't say that it was for a Schutzen Konig or that it was a prize and the dates don't reflect it either for such an event according to the historical record you have. But still a very nice presentation piece and an awesome piece of that clubs history. Best!

Thanks for the reply, Mikee.

I have tried to contact this club four times. The last time was last night.

Maybe if someone in Germany could ask for a picture of C. Evers, 1927 Schutzen Konig they could post a picture.

There are lots of old pictures hanging in the Gadebuscher Schutzenhaus.

C. Evers may have seen the shooting club flag made in 1929.

Wetzel,

Now that would make sense if it was 1829 instead of 1887. That would be a 100 year anniversary of course. I hope you can find out.

Hey Mikee,

1887-1929 is 42 years and is probably not related to the 100-year-anniversary of something in 1928.

The fact that the flag is a "Garde-Jager-Korps" may indicate a Military connection.

Maybe Hauptmann Hesse was in a Jager Regiment?

Schutzen members were also the "protectors" of the town.

From Wikipedia:

At a Schützenfest, contestants compete based on their shooting abilities, for example, by shooting at a wooden representation of an eagle. The competition's winner becomes the Schützenkönig ("king of marksmen") until the following year's competition.

Wetzel,

Yes I agree it's not related, my point exactly. Garde-Jager-Korps a part of the club maybe. I don't know everything lol but I actually know all that you stated, I surprise myself sometimes lol. I believe I mentioned it before in another one of your posts and it's not only or always a wooden eagle or Konigsadler, depends on the type of club, large club, small club, type of weapons, caliber used and affiliation as well and their rules. Believe it or not early on it was live birds and animals. Before the middle ages yes they gathered to practice to protect or ordered to do so and that progressed into forming clubs even prior to the middle ages. Some clubs date as far back as the 12th century and most likely earlier then that. Yes they wear military style uniforms, swords, medals etc. but the emphasis is on shooting now not fighting, but socializing, ceremonies, parades and parties, a little or a lot of drinking, you know fun stuff lol. US clubs wore military styled uniforms as well. Any way it certainly had it's ups and downs over the centuries. During WWII it all changed as well, and then DSB started up again around 1951 if I remember correctly and if it even really stopped. But that's for another discussion. Best!

Mikee,

I would like to thank you for your first unbiased observation reply. I think that I was probably mistaken because of the eBay seller's title. You are correct that there is no reference to a Schutzen Konig on the Hirschfanger. Maybe Carl Evers had his name and 1926 engraved on his 1920's Hirschfanger, won the 1927 Schutzenfest and was awarded a medal or Königspokal. Then in 1928 was awarded an honor award document from Hauptmann Hesse, and a jeweler engraved the bottom scabbard from the award document. Does this sound more logical to you?

I found a picture of a 1932 Gadebuscher Schutzenzunft Königspokal that was returned to the club by the grandson or great-grandson of O. Kopsiker, the original owner. I also have no idea about the dates of the flag (1887-1929) that is displayed in the Gadebuscher Schutzenzunft club.

Here is the caption to the picture of the 1932 Königspokal: Lutz Kidawa und Jürgen Lienshöft (v.l.) mit dem Königspokal aus dem Jahr 1932. Der Enkel von Schützenkönig Kopsiker überreichte die Auszeichnung dem Verein hinsichtlich der Kulturpflege. FOTO: VOLKER BOHLMANN

Wetzel,
Love the story about the Königspokal. I'm sure they will take good care of it.

Thank you it's not a problem. I'm just trying to help out the best I can. It's been my experience that if an item is a Schutzenfest prize it would state it along with other relevant information. As for winning and being recognized as Schutzenkonig for the year 1927, Carl Evers I'm sure would have received awards along with his name inscribed on the Kings chain and if he won a Schutzen fest in 1926 he also would have been recognized and won a prize of some type. Was it this Hirschfanger I'm not yet convinced for a number of reasons without proof...All of this would have been documented in various ways, the club records or printed in the club or local news papers of the time. Yours is simply what it says it is, A dedication to; "His Hunters with (very) good aim, For the 100 year Anniversary. Of course it was never a mystery to them what that anniversary/connection/history was all about or the 1926 date. Yes it is missing some information so it's a little bit of mystery for us but with a little bit of study into the history of this club I'm sure it will reveal a whole lot more. I think you will learn so much when you research this further.

Mikee, thanks again for your help.

It now makes more sense that this Hirschfanger is not a Schutzen prize, just my eBay prize. I am still trying to find out about the bottom scabbard inscription of 1928.

There is a picture of a Gadebuscher Schutzenzunft Konigskette, last seen in 1939. So maybe Carl Evers received a Schutzen medal and a Konigspokal in 1927.

Research notes: Otto Kopsicker was the 1932 Gadebuscher Schutzen Konig and the caption of the photo had the surname (Kopsicker), misspelled and I copied the surname misspelling. His grandson returned the Konigspokal.

See the Gadebuscher Schutzenzunft Konigs Tafel and "1932, O. Kopsicker".

I found this picture of a 1920's Schutzenfest in Gadebusch, Germany.

Wetzel,

Wow the history is amazing and that's one heck of a Kings chain. Yes his name was certainly placed on this chain with all the rest. No telling what he actually received without research but whatever it was, it's nice. Let us know what you find out. I was actually at Gadebusch and Rugen after the fall of the wall.

Mikee, your translation is near to perfect! " To his unerring Hunters, for the 100 year Anniversary. Captain Hesse, Gadebusch on 16.7.1928.

Regards,

wotan,
Thank you. big smile.

wotan, and Mikee

Thank you both, the eBay seller's translation used the word "accurate", which is the definition of "unerring".

The big question is the 100-year anniversary of what event.

What happened in 1828?

I am still researching for the answer.

After 1 year of research of the Gadebusch Schutzenzunft I have found no National or State "1928 100 Jahr. Jubliaum" (Anniversary).

I now believe the July 16, 1928, 100-year Anniversary must be a very local to Gadebusch event. Perhaps specific to the Gadebusch Schutzenzunft.

This shooting club had an old Schutzenhaus (Shooting house), that is pictured on old postcards, 1913 or before. Maybe the Schutzenhaus was built in 1828, and that is the answer.

The old Schutzenhaus was going to be torn down, but the mayor stepped in to save the old building and it is now used for a "Jugendtreff" (Youth club).

I have sent an e-mail to the Gadebusch Museum, and I hope they will answer my question about the July 16, 1928, 100-year Anniversary.

Wetzel,

That's awesome, hope you get the answer.

Here is an old picture of the old Schutzenhaus (Shooting clubhouse) in Gadebusch. This picture may have been hand-tinted with color or colorized.

Years later the front porch was removed, recent pictures show no porch.