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Don, I note the DRKB-Kyffhäuser Forderer badge has a solid base behind the swas. as opposed to an all white field such as seen on membership badges. Do you know if all of the DRKB-Kyffhäuser Forderer badges are like that or possibly a manufacturers variant?
I will look in my resource books.
I like the opaque red/orange enamel examples best. Nice to see the variations side by side.

Thanks for showing them.

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Don, I note the DRKB-Kyffhäuser Forderer badge has a solid base behind the swas. as opposed to an all white field such as seen on membership badges. Do you know if all of the DRKB-Kyffhäuser Forderer badges are like that or possibly a manufacturers variant?
I will look in my resource books.
I like the opaque red/orange enamel examples best. Nice to see the variations side by side.

Thanks for showing them.

--dj--Joe

I can't honestly say for sure Joe, as I have only seen a couple of examples, & from memory I'm sure that they were the same. The one shown in Hüsken's catalogue is the same.

Reading back through this thread again I see that there were a couple of NS Deutscher Marine Bund (NSDMB) items posted so I thought that I would add these. Don't know anything about them & have never seen any period reference to them supposidly long service badges, the 25 is very common & the 40 can sometimes be found, but I have only ever seen two examples of the 50.....

I'll only post one reverse as they are all identical.

Don

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NSDMB!! , Wow Don 4 more rare pieces!!

They were issued pieces correct [?]... I have some trade guild booklets. They have a lot of adverts from manufactures thruout always showing their pin, ring etc. I'm going to take a look. . Never seen these before..Very interesting.., thanks,,G.

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NSDMB!! , Wow Don 4 more rare pieces!!

They were issued pieces correct [?]... I have some trade guild booklets. They have a lot of adverts from manufactures thruout always showing their pin, ring etc. I'm going to take a look. . Never seen these before..Very interesting.., thanks,,G.


Thank you Gaspare, it would be interesting to see whether you find anything. As with so many of these small organisational membership/enamel badges, there is so little period info readily available. There's probably some in the archives if someone had the time to search but.....

I'll post a couple more Kriegerbund pieces that I have for which I have never seen any period info in a couple of days.

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Thanks, Don for posting the NS Deutscher Marine Bund badges. The only local example I have seen was missing the small Iron Cross.

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Happy New Year folks!!

Here are a couple more Kriegerbund pieces that I know virtually nothing about.

As some of you may be aware, for some reason Thüringen was a hotbed for unusual & these days unknown enamel badges. As seen in some of my other posts here, there seems to be a multitide of so far undocumented enamel from the Third Reich period.

Here are two large badges (6.5 cm, about 2 inches in length) badges for the Deutscher Reichskriegerbund. I assume by the number 25, that they are anniversary pieces.... However, so far I have never found any documentation for them.

Two forms one with the full name plus Thüringen under the shield, the other simply with the number. The reverse set up is similar however they are made by different manufacturers, the first by Scheideanstalt, Oberstein the second by R.Conrad, Weimar.

Enjoy....

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Reverses...

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Don,
Have seen a few of these over the years. Sticker shock always held me back from purchasing.
Thanks for showing.
Nice sturdy attachment pin and catch for a heavy badge.
I have not found any info. on them either.

Perhaps someday you will find that illusive in wear image. smile

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Thanks Joe, I hope to as well.... cool


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I can add a 1936 day badge.

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Very nice Joe. I don't recall seeing that design before (but I could just be getting old & forgetful.... cry


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Don, I recall you had a badge "Kameradschaft der Kriegsfreiwilligen von 1914/18" in the NS Reichskriegerbund.
Was it given in one class only?

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Do you mean this little thing? It's tiny..... I don't think so the document doesn't give any grade or class, so I assume it's just the one type...

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Thanks Don. An interesting pin and document.

I saw an online pin example and was overcome by sticker shock. smile

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Thanks Joe. Looking at the document again, I hadn’t noticed that it was for a specific place, Mannheim/Ludwigshafen am Rhein. So it seems that this pin was another of the Kriegerbund pieces for a specific area as were the Thüringen pieces.


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smile I was just off bumbling around the internet looking up Mannheim/Ludwigshafen am Rhein.

Area-specific badges = limited numbers = rarer finds. smile


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Indeed.... Expalins why we don't see more of them, especially the documents....


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That and the fact that the area was heavily bombed.

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Dug out this image this morning. Another nice shot of the NS Deutscher Marine Bund (NSDMB) breast badge in wear. It's just a shame that the cap badge was left out....

Don

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Nice image.

Thank you, Don.

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Have had this for a long time. wink Wettkampfsieger 1939. (competition winner 1939). Armshield.
Note the details. I have observed the years 1937 - 1941.

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Very nice Joe, I do like these but have only ever had one which came in with another group. I'll see if I have any scans. According to the document that I posted here on page 11 https://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=271788#Post271788 they came in bronze, silver & gold, but I have never seen anything other than bronze, have you?


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Bronze examples are all I have seen Don. Other than a few with the finish gone.
I have not found any information about qualification.
I dimly recall seeing an in-wear image. Somewhere. (I think).

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Here's a picture that I have in my collection. Not only does he wear the a Wettkampfsieger (a very bright looking one too!) on his arm, he has the stickpin on his lapel...

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I have a feeling that's the image I recalled. smile Thanks Don, for posting it. I was industriously going through books and saved images searching.

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Thinking about it, I'm not sure that I've seen another in wear picture....

The images below showing the dateline for when the insignia & anniversary badges were changed/introduced were posted on another forum by Peter Wetrat who is writing a two volume book on the Kriegerbund. I thought that they would be of interest here as a reference. From what I have seen so far Peter's book, although written in German, will be certainly worth picking up.

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Anniversary badge timeline....

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I am four short of a complete enamel set. A couple are those elusive 50's.
Something to shoot for.
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Regarding the 1924 type. I have seen oval examples. Like member Duzig posted on page 2. Would they be post war pieces or variant designs?
https://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=359107&page=2

Somewhat like the post war KLKALIBER example member Raymond posted on page 5.
https://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=359107&page=5

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Originally Posted by derjager
Regarding the 1924 type. I have seen oval examples. Like member Duzig posted on page 2. Would they be post war pieces or variant designs?
https://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=359107&page=2

Somewhat like the post war KLKALIBER example member Raymond posted on page 5.
https://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=359107&page=5

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I've no idea Joe. Possibly a Frauen badge? I know that there was a female section. If I manage to get hold of a copy of the book when it is published, the answer may be in there.


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Hey Joe. Can you show me the two pics you mentioned in your last Trend.
The links doesnt work with me.
Thanks and i will give some answers to your questions.

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Peter, welcome and thank you for the offer of help.
Following are the pins in question. Pretty sure the silver KLKALIBER is post WWII.

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Welcome to the forum Peter! Have your books been published yet?

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Hi Don. Not yet. There are always new informations coming in, which I would like to incorporate. When the book is ready, I will inform you.

@ derjager: So, here are some infos about the oval.

The high oval badge you depicted is the cap badge of the Kyffhäuser Youth.

Book: Equipment and Clothing of the Kyffhäuser Youth (1931)
Text excerpt: Cap Badge. Oval Kyffhäuser Youth cap badge, worn on the upper edge of the cap, i.e. above the national cockade by all leaders, guides and young comrades.

Kyffhäuser Youth | In addition to other tasks, the warrior associations saw it as necessary to instruct and lead the youth in the spirit of comradeship and cohesion. To this end, many associations formed their own youth groups, which were combined to form the Kyffhäuser Youth League. In 1933, the Reichskriegerbund had to dissolve its youth league or forcibly integrate it into the HJ due to the actions of the Reich youth leader Baldur von Schirach. All young comrades under 18 years of age, as far as they remained members, were transferred to the HJ or the BDM. Older young comrades, who made up by far the greater part of the Kyffhäuser youth, were to be transferred to the SA at the request of the Reich warrior leadership. In order to avoid this membership, the Reichskriegerbund occasionally accepted young comrades as extraordinary members into the federal associations. (for further details, see also chapter 10)

Need some help. I have some pics i like to add, but i dont know how

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Great information as usual Peter.

If you wish, you can email your pictures to me & I will post them for you.

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Photo posting procedure.
Under the reply or post window, you will see "File Manager". Click it to open a window that lets you browse your computer for photos. When you find one, double click it to get the name in the box, and click "Add File". Repeat as needed, then click "Done Adding Files". When you click the "Submit" button, the files will be loaded to the forum. Users can load up to 5 photos at a time, Premium Members and moderators can add up to 10 photos at a time. This is not available in the "Quick Reply" window at the bottom of a thread.


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Peter, thank you for the information. I had read of the Kyffhäuser Youth a long time back. But not with your in-depth knowledge of the subject.

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Here are some more pics about the Kyffhäuser-Youth.

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The book i mentioned in my post

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Here are the shooting badges Kyffhäuserbund after 1952. The small one is the needle, the big one just the big one.
Oval for 15 shoots and the squares for 30 shoots.
and all with different named weapons

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