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#356331 11/04/2022 01:52 PM
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Hello gentlemen, I am trying to study gov daggers with the mm by PUMA.
Is here any member, collector who does own one and is willing to share pics of it?
I am aware of these specimen shown in the net eg. by dealers. I am looking for privately owned specimen. Thank you in advance, regards,


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wotan #356335 11/04/2022 10:58 PM
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I have an unmarked example I got from Tom Johnson. He said it was from the Puma factory. If you want, I can dig it out and take a few shots wink


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wotan #356336 11/05/2022 12:17 AM
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Hello Vern, would be fine to see photoshoots from your dagger as also unmarked ones are interesting. I try to find out more about gov/diplo daggers beside the well known EICKHORNs and ALCOSOs and thought to start with PUMA.
Thank you in advance, regards,


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wotan #356413 11/15/2022 01:29 PM
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Sorry for the delay. Here are photos of the hilt. Let me know if you want shots of anything specific.

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Hello Vern, thank you very much for your effort. The pics are appreciated and I think I can see all what is interesting for my analysis.

Up to now I have three marked PUMAs and could find minute regularities but also little differences. Although most daggers (also those from eg. HOERSTER) are obviously from ALCOSO parts, the scabbards seem visibly to differ.
As yours (the scabbard) differs also from some "regularities" of the PUMAs in my files I am not sure if it is indeed a PUMA model. Perhaps those unmarked were done by a further firm.
I would need more specimen to compare but obviously gov/diplos in general and those from PUMA, HOERSTER and unmarked in special are not widely spread and also no field of much interest; or is it the price of them that there are not so many of these elusive daggers encountered in collections? ...

Btw, your dagger has extremely nice patterned grip plates!

Thank you again for your help and the pics,
Regards,

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Hello Vern, one fact would be still interesting for me: Do both (upper and lower) scabbard bands run in the same direction or are they switching the direction ?
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Both run the same direction.


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Thank you Vern, others than EICKHORNs and ALCOSOs they do come this and that way.
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Thank Billy.
Diplomatic on left, no-logo G.O. on right.

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Hello Serge and Bikly_G, thank you for your effort and care. I long for the old times of GD.C where points of originallity, regularities and much more could be openly exchanged and discussed. Due to scrupulous fakers this is not possible any more.
I try to find out if there are regularities for non-ALCOSO and non-EICKHORN gov daggers. When you do examine the whole dagger, the crossguard, the scabbard body (stippling), the scabbard screws, the scabbard mouth, the scabbad bands, the ringholders, it is like an own world opens... if you have at least several in your evidences.
PUMA did use ALCOSO parts but also in house available parts, HÖSTER obviously did totally their own thing and the unmarked ones are mixtures or pure ALCOSOs.
I am aware that the interest on these daggers (due to availability in collections and their prices) and details is limited, but it helps to avoid obvious fakes and messed with daggers.
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Originally Posted by wotan
I long for the old times of GD.C where points of originallity, regularities and much more could be openly exchanged and discussed. Due to scrupulous fakers this is not possible any more.

Unfortunately wotan, as we know, that's the way it is these days.
However, that doesn't stop some of us from sharing with serious known collectors, it just can't be out in the open like it was back-in-the-day. Too many fakers out there that will make one with all the details we provide and Wa-La, another one appears and then they test it on the forums and see if it flies. If not, they want to know why, which soon gets 'improved' on the next fake, now upgraded.
As my friend Johnny V. would say; "There's too much money in the hobby".

Best of Hunt,
Serge

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