Translate German to English - Click here to open Altavista's Babel Fish Translator Click here to learn about all those symbols by people's names.

leftlogo.jpg (20709 bytes)

Upgrade to Premium Membership

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#355519 08/15/2022 08:13 PM
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,850
Likes: 2
Fitzer Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,850
Likes: 2
Hello,

On typical Police Bayonets, we often see unit marking on the cross guard and upper scabbard fitting..
Were there designated Unit markings for rural police bayonets vs municipal police bayonets?

The reason, I ask is that I observe a lot of rural bayonets having unit numbers beginning with L (i.e. L. Ar. 306) whereas Municipal bayonets begin with S (i.e. S. D. VII 154) Could be coincidence, but interested in any insights ?

I know this may be an advanced question, but hoping someone can help

Thanks,
John

Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 6,650
Likes: 24
Online Content
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 6,650
Likes: 24
"S" is for "Schutzpolizei" (municipal) while "L" is for "Landjagerei" (rural).


[Linked Image from germandaggers.com]
Visit us at www.GermanDaggers.com
Contact me at Vern@GermanDaggers.com
1 member likes this: Fitzer
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,850
Likes: 2
Fitzer Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,850
Likes: 2
Thanks Vern. !!

Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 6,650
Likes: 24
Online Content
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 6,650
Likes: 24
wink


[Linked Image from germandaggers.com]
Visit us at www.GermanDaggers.com
Contact me at Vern@GermanDaggers.com
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,059
Likes: 15
Offline
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,059
Likes: 15
Rural bayonets will often show a brown leather scabbard in addition to the “L” marking.

We also see Polizei bayonets marked “P” for Polizeischule. Occasionally we see bayonets with other letters like “G” or “K”. I would guess they might be for Gemeindenpolizei and Kriminalpolizei.


GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,143
Likes: 3
Offline
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,143
Likes: 3
Fitzer,

Vern and Billy are right on the mark regarding Municipal Schutzpolizei vs. Rural Landjagerei markings but bear in mind what we normally see are Prussian Police markings from the 1922 or the 1932 marking regulations. There were Bavarian Police, Saxon Police, etc. property markings as well. A good book on markings is "German Small Arms Markings From Authentic Sources" by Gortz & Bryans.

I hope this is helpful.


"You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." Ricky Nelson
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 14,700
Likes: 48
Online Content
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 14,700
Likes: 48
Thanks, ORPO.

Very helpful. You are right about Prussian markings being prevalent.

Dave

Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,850
Likes: 2
Fitzer Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,850
Likes: 2
Thanks gents! I believe police bayonets were also reissued.. we sometimes see Weimar period unit marks X'd out and replaced with a simple number. I suppose a Bayonet could have started life in one district then reissued to another?

Last edited by Fitzer; 08/23/2022 08:48 PM.
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,143
Likes: 3
Offline
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,143
Likes: 3
Yes they could be re-issued. Many were also refurbished and re-issued. So, a long Prussian Police bayonet could have been changed into the shorter post 1936 style Police bayonet with the shortening of the blade and removal of the clam shell guard etc. and returned to service in the now nationalized police anywhere in Germany.

Last edited by ORPO; 08/26/2022 03:53 PM.

"You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." Ricky Nelson
1 member likes this: Fitzer
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,850
Likes: 2
Fitzer Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,850
Likes: 2
Thanks Orpo.., really useful information!


Link Copied to Clipboard
Popular Topics(Views)
2,222,202 SS Bayonets
1,722,323 Teno Insignia Set
1,085,541 westwall rings
Latest New Threads
Dagger ID
by Intern - 09/27/2022 07:02 PM
Video FORUM HISTORICUM Wirges Show
by Alter Fritz - 09/27/2022 10:46 AM
Help with Mini Luft. Dagger
by Mauser88 - 09/25/2022 09:23 PM
Stag Hilt
by Von Ryan - 09/25/2022 08:05 PM
Value or Trash? Very rough Dagger find
by Petard - 09/24/2022 03:10 PM
Latest New Posts
Little help please, returning member
by Billy G. - 09/30/2022 12:40 AM
HJ-collection sold?
by ed773 - 09/30/2022 12:20 AM
Hamburger Tageblatt
by Don Scowen - 09/29/2022 06:13 AM
Dagger ID
by Mikee - 09/27/2022 11:01 PM
What did you find in 2021 for yor collection!
by ORPO - 09/27/2022 03:13 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics31,272
Posts324,095
Members7,226
Most Online5,900
Dec 19th, 2019
Who's Online Now
5 members (TiRex73, polop, jimdvan, ed773, pesho), 18 guests, and 53 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5