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If possible which I doubt I can. My research was abandon years ago.I had a lot of help from Tom Johnson with stories etc.. DD Harris John Merling and a cast of others...Maybe a few of you hit upon my website years ago. But not enough of anyone looked. Most sold off to members here Barry Brown bought the Alcoso wax paper wrap.sure miss that guys imput!!

Puma variants sold pack variants sold etc... I hit upon an old army thread wich I looked and seen F v.d..K but the maker was close but not it. Here are a few that I had left found rather in a dusty bowl. Most are export tags but some I did keep.. the SOS link from Tom W. With Craig is all I comment. He shows a trident tag which is rare indeed all are to some extent. But the red and white triangle tag came on a straight razor 100% not saying you can't put it on a trident dagger but really what's the point anywho for what it's worth a few I have left. If I can get my old files back up I can show others maybe even some screen shots of my old page.

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Trident is on a Labor Leader. F .v.d.K I had thought was another maker I had thought I had but did not. Peres is on an SA. the twin deer heads one good the 2 smaller ones were for export. More soon!

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Export tags 2 sizes twin deer heads

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The export tags you would find on say razors, scissors etc sold to the public in the US and other countries.

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Nice tags Bret! I would say all of them are fairly scarce if not outright rare. Even the export tags. Great to see these


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Not sure how to feel about Craig and the SOS vid of all those tags. Some are for razors scissors etc. We can put them on anything but just to say oh they are for daggers is a bad assumption. I'm not wanting anyone to judge but. So much more exists that we don't see or miss. Glad to be back Billy it's been a spell and trying to make up for those years being gone is a joy to read all this new stuff!!

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Ok so you wanna go down the rabbit hole now??? Here goes

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Any ideas?? Or if you can read it then easy peasy

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I assume this is a box for hair cutting machines of some sort.

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Gary, hi yes 100% my point is that a herder tag would be rare no matter the source bit is it accurate? Unknown and some of what happens is tags from this type of thing can be confused or mis read as a tag from a dagger. I suspect alot of what is encountered is from things such as these. I'm not casting doubt on anyone but somewhat of a dis-service to is as collectors. My old website was aiming at this time of mis identified tags. Not enough is known and if collectors are randomly adding tags incorrectly then the problem is that. Again not casting doubt on anyone but fact is it looks to me as if that's what is going on at times not all. The time but at times. I'm on a slippery slope here poised to make a small issue a big one. No my intention.

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You used to be able to buy, straight razors and in some cases these hair clippers in a box with the tag still in there, rare to find them nowadays as so many were sought after for the exact reason you have stated, lets not beat about the bush, some of those Tags that Craig had at the SOS were such as these not for daggers at all, I saw them at the show and it was obvious.

How about this one, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on it as I have never handled an Alcoso tag, I may have seen one or two in the past but cannot remember what they looked like.

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I'm not looking to get banned or thread locked etc. I had a huge medical issue and I needed to come back to this for many reasons. The hobby that is.
So here goes.
I had a website for the most part dedicated to the photo logging and types of tags. I had hand fills of hits on it over a span of years. Some members here had seen it but not enough to continue it. I had ask Craig around the time he was working on the HJ pin back book about doing something with tags or starting to anyway. No great deal but expand on what we know and find the gaps. That's what people who are passionate do fill gaps he was deep into the pin back book. So I contacted Tom Johnson. About an addendum to a volume on tags alone. An update to where we are or were. He related stories to me about personal finds in Germany on buying trips etc.. all I still have. I would email when I found a new tag or variant. People who helped me along the way were DD Harris, John Merling, various collectors here.
I felt as if Tom had done his bit for king and country so I allowed the stories to come with no expectations. In a moment I had to sell of many tags in my collection to fund a car repair. You don't own a fast car and expect it's gonna be cheap.
I gave up my website and research headed back to work and a new life with my wife and daughter. Lurking here and collecting at a rather poor pace I had new passions and it was good. I would buy on a rarity I got into table medals door plaques and other smalls flare guns skulls marbles anchors ejection seats bicycles life my wife and my daughter.
April 2nd I was air lifted to UofM campus in Minnesota with a tear between the wall of my heart. Life caught up! I had 3 weeks before even getting to the start line. No moving just being. I walked out in 14 days after surgery. In that time I decided it was time to get back to less work more passion. So here I am. But I had watched few of Wittmanns vids on you tube.
I see one fellow at SOS or ovms had a tag that damn bet that was mine! But realistically no.
The I get to his vid of SOS this year. Craig with tags galore. I sold all my bagged and tagged items here John Merling Barry Brown etc.. Damn I missed it! I bailed too early. But what wait the Trident tag that was from a firm had to be for a dagger. NO it was not I bought a tag and razor such as that together. It could have came on a dagger but 100% that's how I bought it I was fuming. That's a lie or at bet a guess and at worst a dis service to every collector who spent a dime on this hobby. Wrong answers are common here but wrong guessing is not the idea. See etched bayonet threads for the pick up on that!!!
In the hospital calm resting I was angry. Not because of my work was overlooked. I was connecting dots from apt of book Skippers, Johnson, history of Solingen makers etc. Damst member here. I am a collector of medium means. But correct answers are needed. Not best guess. I couldn't email T W fast enough. He knows the hobby I won't quote that which we know so well. I have a tagged Peres dagger and had sent photos to Tom for a sa book. It's not the start of my collection but very proud to have her!
So Craig with tags thrown about on a cardboard sheet wanting to buy bags. Are you freaking kidding me!! So caught my breath and began to download TW on the past.

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Catch my breath a bit
Alcoso tags I've seen 2variants 2 size variants an AWS an ACS and mini of same tags.all from hair clippers. If you collect you know the history of this firm. Export tags many times say Germany tags bound for inside the EU at the time pre 45 from what I can tell do not.
Years ago when this dagger site 1st started a guy named Mike Hansen had tags 2new was his name he got out of the hobby which at the time I couldn't see why. Fully get it now. Try as you may some people wish the hobby to exist for money only. But to hear some say a tag is for some other reason than what I have seen with my own eyes is a bit disheartening. Assuming or guessing is ok but cause you buy it does not make it fact.a person like Damast has the period references to show much of what is known today. Ive not even seen what he has but I trust his view and opinion. Johnson's stories carry real weight to me Every PS tag know said came from him he bought them all at once sure maybe some gi snagged a bagged tagged example but that would have been the exception not the rule. If TJ preserved anything written I don't know. But I have his stories. Many people collect at a higher level than I do it's based on money. No harm no foull. I will not allow some speculation to rule the mob at least without doing to right thing. 2new could fund his collection easy. I work at it now suddenly Craig wants a mint Peres dagger???? For what 2 or
3 tags he owns? I remember the gurka knife deal also.
It's about the Benjamins ok so say that.
I can't correct this behavior but I can warn people of the suspect nature of some tags. While real right as rain maybe not for a dagger. This all ends well so you know. In the heat of that I find a dagger dedicated in in 1937 but the model year changes in 1938 11 months difference so what's wrong in that picture? So hard reset time is that model 11 months early? Dedicated late but presented on a day 11 months before?? I've come back and want to let everyone know partial truth does not work here.
I hope that scratches the surface. Don't ban me or lock me down. I just need to let people know what's going on here is not 100% fact but some guess work on his part when fact are so very important.
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Gary also.
I sold Barry Brown some alcoso wax paper also

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To the tag shown, looks ok gold blue and gold red ACS AWS tags. Smaller dime sizes never seen on anything. I only sold bagged tagged items with bayonets. Sold single tags.
I won't place them on anything other than to display. I just seen smf was linked nto SS late run daggers. Per Paul at lakeside

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Would you consider having your hang tag photos made into a gallery for the GDC Reference Library? Having good photos of tags identified for daggers, swords, razors, etc. would be very helpful for collectors wink


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Yes indeed I would however. Old photos from the last 20 years are on these small storage drives. I need to figure out how to look at. I was in the hospital for 32 days and most everything is more than a challenge. Plus I am uncertain if I can access them. So it may be of little use. But an amazing offer. ✌️🤙👍 I just don't know if I can help that much.
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Hope your recovery goes well. The Tag gallery sounds great, I for one would love to see it happen.
Not sure anyone on this site is more computer and internet challenged than me.
Vern is awesome at these things, and could help with pictures and all else, I'm sure.
Hope it comes to life in the future. Would like to see any other one you can post. I could use a good Alcoso for a Heer.
Take care and good luck
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I''ll start pulling the few photos I have and any from here to set up a sample. We can go from there wink


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Amazing Vern!! This will go the mile to help fix this. So very much appreciated!!!

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Have 21 so far, 14 with both sides and 7 front only.


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I need to go to best buy to see about access to the old photo storage things. I doubt anything is going to be ground breaking but some photos I hope. Variant tags color etc. Hope it works out. Your hard work is greatly appreciated

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Here's a nice Spitzer Army dagger I picked up at the last SOS show, the dagger is in exceptional condition and I have no doubt that the tag has always been on there, perhaps one that Vern could add to the Gallery if he hasn't already got an example. The tag is approx 38mm (1.5") in diameter.

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Very nice and much appreciated. Anyone else have one to add? wink


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Here are a couple for swords.....

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It all starts here! Wow beautiful guys thanks Gary!

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Baz's post above, giving the diameter is a good idea. So is showing both sides.

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Both the Daggers, the Spitzer and Alcoso look great, would really like to see them both if you have the time.
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I have photos of both Holler and Puma tags but they are very poor. Anyone have good photos of these? And here are a couple of rare tags. It's hard to see but the red one is for Voos....

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I sold a plucker a few years back but still can't get to the photos but it looked like that exactly. Vern wow man all great stuff👍

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I did find my old account some pics maybe you found those already? Plucker for sure the other out of focus PDL l

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That is your Plucker. Photos were in the "For Sale" section. Also have the PDL wink I have 33 now but don't have front and back for 8 of them.


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Are flag tags rare?

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Factory dagger and sword tags are fairly rare, some are exceptionally so wink


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You have this also then??
Barry Brown had saved the photos I put on the 4 sale section of an alcoso tag he purchased from me.

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Funny man Barry Brown! What a cool cat! And now gone. Great email exchanges with a guy with an amazing collection. I'm sure he bought the Alcoso wax paper from me. I hope he did that's what I remember.
that was almost me 33 days ago. About time to walk out of my story. Luck opportunity and preparation stepped in. Sure wish I had stayed around here more and kept in contact with people ! Not making that mistake again!!
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Getting into some.older images now!!

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Why the different colors on the Alcoso tags. Gary's looks blue, but could be faded black. Yours is red, and I have seen black, all with orange and gold.
Are they all prewar, or are they different time frames, or possible postwar??
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Ed, that's the bigger question. I've seen some tags come with hair trimmers. But at the same time you see them on daggers and bayonets. Collectors add them all the time. What irks me is the assumption that all were for daggers. I put one on a a alcoso hammered navy. More questions than answers. Maybe if the Germans didn't take the firm.... So many questions. They can't be all right answers.

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