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Hello collectors

Collectors Corner trying to engage with you on stuff I like!

We have sections for each type of thing and sometimes it just gets blown by!

I wanted to put some stuff together and hope collectors respond or show some things!

Always loved Police items!

Lets try a little in my area and see!

Anybody have edge weapons to show? Headgear? Medals or uniforms!

I will start off with some goodies!

I hope Billy,Orpo and others see this and share!


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Love those Shako Eagles.
Sweet pair of cuffs.
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PVON,

An excellent idea. I will share some recent police pickups.

First, is a Gendarmerie cape (Umhang) with a grey body and a light brown collar with orange piping. A scarce clothing item that came out of another collector's collection.

Second, is a Motorized Gendarmerie Captain tunic from another source. This tunic has the officer version of the Gendarmerie cuff band and a Heer Offizier breast eagle as well as the Polizei Offizier sleeve eagle. This fellow was absorbed into the Heer Feldgendarmerie in this 1938 dated tailor made uniform. It is an identified tunic showing this Gendarm's documented transfer from the SA Feldjaeger to the Gendarmerie and his subsequent entry into the SS and promotion to Major.

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Gend cape collar back.JPG (52.98 KB, 118 downloads)
Gend cape open side.JPG (51.79 KB, 118 downloads)
Mot Gend tunic.JPG (47.58 KB, 118 downloads)
Mot Gend FG insignia.JPG (55.07 KB, 118 downloads)

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Thanks Ed!

Orpo

Thanks for sharing! Very nice

I look forward to seeing your Police stuff!

Never tire of seeing quality items!

The cape is icing on the cake!

Showing our goodies is always fun!

PVON

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Thanks for the kudos Pvon. I have noticed some very nice stuff coming out of old collections recently.

I picked up a very nice City of Zittau (Saxony) Police spike helmet at SOS this Summer that I thought I would show. Erich Radecke, "Polizei-Abzeichen Helme - Heraldik - Historie" 1.Band - bis 1918 talks about this helmet on page 56 of his book. He shows the helmet star that is on my helmet with the gilt emblem of Zittau backed with green leather placed on a Neusilber police star insignia. My helmet has a black leather body with Neusilber fittings as shown on other Sachsische kommunalen Polizei helmets. The spike is the short ball topped spike with a pearl ring at the base as seen on other municipal German Police spike helmets. The spike base has four lobes secured with plain bolts. The chinstrap is leather covered with flat scalloped scales with a distinctive screw-bolt fastening. The interesting red and white cockades are the same on both sides and are in the city colors of Zittau instead of the state colors of Saxony. This is correct for Saxony City Police helmets according to Radecke.

A very nice example of a City Police (Stadtpolizei) helmet that I was happy to find at the show.

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Thanks, ORPO,

That is one cool helmet and whoever owned it originally (and later) took good care of it. Thanks for showing your collection.

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Orpo

Thats a beauty indeed!

Yes many collectors are passing and wonderful things that have been hidden are seeing day lite again!

Police edge weapons,uniforms,headgear etc,plus all the things collectors like in other areas
are making it hard on us old pension folks!

If you had your choice what in police now makes you want it?

Edge weapons,head gear uniforms!

Beside the price!


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Here was a tunic I got many yrs ago!

It was dirty and must have been in many places!

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Thanks Dave. I thought the condition of the Pickelhaube was really excellent even though that word is overused todaly.

And, Pvon thanks to you for the kudos as well.

There are some things on my long term list of stuff I have missed over the years and then some things just pop up. I am sort of like a crow in that regard since I seem to be attracted to some new bright shiny thing. So, both things tend to attract my attention. Over the years I have tended to buy stuff that is in excellent condition, like the Zittau Pickelhaube, or identified stuff, like the Motorized Gendarmerie tunic. I also like pieces that the Polizei have reworked or re-issued. These things have a history that can be seen in pieces like the rather commonplace reworked Police bayonets. These items of issue bayonets started out with longer blades, Prussian Pol. stars in the grips, etc. Police P.08 are the same being extensively reworked and re-isued over the years.

Here is an example. This is a recently acquired Stahlhelm Police helmet. This helmet started out life as a Model 1916 WWI Austrian helmet. One of 486,000 German made helmets issued to Austrian forces during WWI. It was manufactured with a revised Model 1917 liner and after the war it was used by the Austrian Police and the chinstrap is property marked to the Steyrmark district of the Land Gendarmerie, The Gendarmerie armorers drilled two small holes on the left side of the helmet dome next to the lugs for attachment of the armored frontal plate. This secured a brass flaming grenade as the insignia of the Austrian Gendarmerie. When Austria became part of the German Reich as the Ostmark, Austrian Policemen took off their helmets and held up their right hands and took the oath to become German Policemen. Austrian/German armorers once again modified these M1916 helmets by brush painting them green and then attached new German Police decals to these helmets to be worn by Austrian Policemen with their new Model 1936 green Polizei uniforms. These WWI period helmets continued to serve during WWII. After the end of the war the Austrian Police were once again stood up and Austrian Police armorers painted over the decals in "Gendarmerie Grey" or "Police Green". The helmets served in Austria through the 1950s according to Ludwig Baer in his book, "The History of the German Steel Helmet 1916-1945".

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Nice Orpo

Love seeing your Police!


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Thanks JR

always happy when you post!

Nice to see how it was in the old days! Not easy now!

But you manage to find the stuff!

You don't need Kelly Hicks paper or the book guy who switches liners!

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Nice group of M35 helmets JR. Thanks for showing them.

Here is another Pol. M35 that is a neat variation. I picked up this Model 1935 "beaded" Luftschutzpolizei steel helmet with double decals at SOS last summer. According to Ludwig Baer, "The History of the German Steel Helmet 1916-1945" the SHD (Air Raid Warning Service = Sicherheits und Hilfsdienst) was placed under the authority of the Police in 1942. Most of the Luftschutz decals on helmets were then removed and replaced with standard Polizei decals. This is one of those beaded Luftschutzpolizei helmets.

This helmet has the later "bordered" police decals that are placed behind the air vent holes instead of being lapped over the bead below the air vents. These decals are about 99% and the Police decal has a gold tint to it instead of the standard silver color to the eagle and borders. The steel helmet interior has a painted issue number at the back of the flared skirt and maker numbers, indicating manufacture by Emaillirwerk A.G., Fulda ("E.F."). that are stamped in the sides. It also has an undisturbed leather liner and chin strap. There is also a Luftschutzpolizei rubber property stamp on the liner.

I was happy to find this particular beaded helmet at the show.

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yeah that Shako is the quintessential of Police pieces!! That Brown M/C crash helmet very nice too!




Heres a Police spring cosh,,chain 'wrist breaker',, solid 'wrist breaker..'. Maybe another in there[?]

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Orpo

Thats a really sweet helmet,condition is very nice!

Not sure where you find these variations!

Gee Gaspare

Those are some killer items!

Not easy to find are they?

Another book can be made of just these!

PVON

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all very hard to find now.. Black Jacks go for good money now..Old knucks even more..

Think knuckles are a Federal offence...

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I had a alum set of knucks that came with Flossenburg written on it in english! Came with a SS officers visor that was killer!

My dad got them from a member in AA.

John Pepera got that SS visor from me! He was high end collector that lived close!

I have to find pics of the knucks,I have pics of the visor!

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I visited Pep a couple times there in Brooklyn Ohio! Went to see a golden age collector Bill Blynn.. He had the AH ring, Goring brooch, the Mussolini sword, Coburg stained glass window , etc etc. and a bunch of really like museum stuff. He's passed some years ago and its been all auctioned off....

Yeah Pep had some nice visors,, a bunch of HRs and all sorts of stuff also that could have been in a museum including one of the best pieces I've seen, the SS Totenkopf trumpet banner... What a great piece!!

Be great to see the knucks if you find the photo!

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Yes John really had the stuff! He ran a add for over 20 yrs at newspaper the Cleveland PD!

Adds are expensive! He got them free!

Yes the The SS Totenkopf trumpet banner was remarkable! Had a Police also!

He had a beautiful SS prototype dagger he sold before he passed to Jason B or Brian for he said a 100K

The 10 fine SS sword, Party Pin collection, 20 SS visors and the list went on!

Lots of his stuff was in Tom W book!

I knew John before he had his 1st dagger! He showed me a trunk full once!

SS Tux and badge!


But it was his life! pre internet he hade 3 phones on his desk!

If you got something in Florida, He knew about it! He kept files on everyone who knew!

Didn't miss a beat!


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This beauty was owned by John Pepera!


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A really nice trumpet banner. Was it double sided?


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