UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons Army, Navy, and Luftwaffe Forum Clemen and Jung naval dagger

Hello I realize the controversy surrounding etched maker marks on Clemen and Jung Kriegsmarine daggers. I am also aware of Tom Wttmann's naval reference and his opinion that they can be "period" when judged by the sum and quality of their parts. Does the collecting community in general accept this opinion or are they shunned as all being post war, thereby being nearly impossible to sell? Thanks cheers and best, Ryan

I think a well fitted C&J with the stamped logo is largely accepted but worth less generally speaking. Most guys wouldn’t touch an etched logo C&J Navy.

A lot of them have newer looking grips that are solid, celluloid or trolon but I’m not sure which. I believe the celluloid grips with wood cores might have a chance of being period.

Thanks Billy cheers Ryan

If you watch Tom W's down in the cellar 22, he gets a C&J stamped Navy.
It's right at the 59 min mark.
Ed

Thanks Ed and Billy I know the stamped Clemen and Jung are real it was the etched oval that I was inquiring about are the later etched makers marked examples considered all post war? I know Tom accepts some as being war time Thanks cheers and best, Ryan

According to J. Anthony Carter (book: German knife and sword makers) the oval logo was used on late naval daggers but I never seen original (naval) one. Just some fakes.

Personally I own nazified first model with the "early type logo" - stamped name on one side and "Z" on crowned shield on the other side, and I wouldn't go for an oval logo without other solid references. Doesn't mean I'm right, just that I won't get burned if this information isn't true.

Hello, Drambejz, and welcome to GDC.

You'll find lots of daggers here.

Could we see your C&J ? It sounds interesting.

Dave

Hi Dave and thank you

I managed to compress few photos so the Attachment manager would take it (I hope it will work)

Here she is.