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odal #315820 02/07/2016 06:28 PM
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Circle the wagons, boys. (An old west USA saying meaning keep the inner circle tight to fend off invaders!) someone asked me about best place to get a ring like I had (I don't recall some pattern skull or ww)-and my answer was the same Gaspare gave me-Buy from an Old established collection! Fake rings will always be fake rings!!!

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Also, the cracked shield die...I presume it's non functional in that state, I suppose they would just make a new die? Or did they have some imperfect ones, but have a method for fixing die flaws?


It is not working die, it is master for making working die. Usually when die gets broken, it is just thrown away. Sometimes it can get fixed and then sometimes you can see some repair defect.
Mostly therm die flaws are used to hide casting defects. Many gays use term die flaw but actually never has seen some die with flaws.
If interested I can make some repaired die pics.
Please do, Hapur, that would be HIGHLY interesting! And if you had a pic of a ring made with a repaired die, then that would be perfect...

Mark4321 #327002 03/05/2017 06:59 PM
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Because this 2 dies (the one for the Westwall ring and the one for a swastika ring) are now again in auction and discussed in some forums i will show it here again and remember this older fine thread.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
odal #327003 03/05/2017 07:23 PM
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I think I can make out that "watermark" on the photo too... can you guys as well?

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Especially interesting i find the sold with ring.
I myself can`t imagine that this inside comes while die strucking.
Would like to hear some other opinions.
Mabe Hapur can help with his knowledge. wink

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
odal #327032 03/07/2017 07:42 PM
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Nobody here with an opinion?
Here the front of this ring, for me a cast one:

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
odal #327033 03/07/2017 07:57 PM
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and a comparison with a period original:

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
odal #327041 03/08/2017 01:40 AM
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Dragons teeth do look different I agree- lettering too. And the second helmet has no rivet/vent hole above the national shield. Good eye, Gtz.

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It's gonna fool a lot of people!

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Nobody here with an opinion?
Here the front of this ring, for me a cast one:


Based on this pic I say cast ring.


There are less original rings than you think, much less...

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hapur #327060 03/08/2017 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted By: hapur
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Nobody here with an opinion?
Here the front of this ring, for me a cast one:


Based on this pic I say cast ring.


That`s what i think too.
A mother die for die strucking sold together with a cast ring.
How strange is that?


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Comparison of the backside:

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
odal #330174 07/03/2017 05:56 AM
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here's an old die...this one of a good luck ring.. Horse shoe,,4 leaf clover, wish bone,,,just missing a Swastika!

A real work of art... Talented die cutter here!

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Gaspare #330175 07/03/2017 05:58 AM
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another old one.. probably took some enamel in the shields afterwards.

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Gaspare #330176 07/03/2017 06:03 AM
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here's the good luck ring die again..

We always talk about nice even band here. this is why.
They were cut that way!
One side wouldn't be thicker than the other. Everything nice and even.

Wonder what was going to be in the center of that cartouche?!

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Gaspare #330177 07/03/2017 08:24 AM
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Maybe an unready die?
The cartouche looks looks rather high too, so could be it still needs some work on.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
odal #330179 07/03/2017 10:27 AM
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The details are amazing. The shanks are wishbones with a rabbits foot in the center...

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maybe Odal,,or maybe just a big high gaudy ring..

Mike, your a genius!! Rabbits foot!!! YES, absolutely.. Cool, thats seldom seen on good luck pieces..

Gaspare #350686 07/24/2021 12:38 AM
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I had an email a while ago asking why some dies the Cartouche [front] were flat and some 'dipped'...

There were many dies as can be seen in this great old topic... This period die from my collection is 'dipped' .. It is simple,, it gets flat when it gets rounded, and sometimes finished flat as well...

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Gaspare #352711 11/26/2021 05:56 PM
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got friendly with a salvage guy that occasionally gets and sells old European jewelry dies.. He sent me this,,says its from 40s. Could be French...
Takes a cameo or a 'gem' Its not for me as its not a mans ring etc. but still nice to observe and study:

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Gaspare #352924 12/15/2021 06:59 AM
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I missed out on this die while I was out of town. frown. Supposed to be from late 30s.... , Oh well, next time.........................

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Gaspare #352937 12/16/2021 02:23 PM
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I'm impressed by the craftsmanship !

Thanks for posting.

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