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Hello, this was recently inherited. Trying to figure out if it is real and we should take care of it, or a fake. It was along with 3 other knives in a shadow box in the attic for many years. Thank you!

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I am a little leery of the etch.

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Thanks, I took more pictures with and without flash of the etching. Is that helpful?

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My understanding is that etched blades without leaves under the eagle are post war.


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I’m with John on this one, I don’t like it at all. A lot of people will quibble with an etched Luft by Carl Julius Krebs but they definitely produced etched 2nd model Luft daggers. I own one and I know John owns one as well.

The etch on this one has the eagle more resembling a seagull. The few period Krebs examples I’ve seen that had a Voos etch. I would add the grip to ferrule fit is poor for a special order extra expense item and the grip wire is not consistent with what I’ve seen on Krebs Luft daggers.


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Hello, personally would not condemn this dagger/blade too fast. First I have learned from several advanced collectors that there did exist Luft and Army daggers with edched blades without the twigs under the eagle. But I know too few about the special features.
What I can see is that the mm is stamped which generally is mostly a good sign. The etch seems to be different from the VOOS etching. The pics do not show the eagle very well but, yes, it seems to be the "Gonzo"-type which is mostly a bod sign.
So in this case mho is that to classify the dagger/blade it needs a true expert on KREBS daggers and/or etched blades.
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Wotan,

An excellent point about the stamped Krebs logo, however easily explained. I believe mark to be period, although I’m of the opinion the etch was added decades later.


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Thank you for all for the information. I will try to take a better picture. Who knew how hard it would be to take a picture of a knife. I do agree that the eagle's beak looks odd...I think the gonzo comment is spot on.

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I don't like the eagle.

Why would Krebs buy Voos style etches and another different pattern?

Not one for me.

Here is what Krebs etch looks like.

John

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Here is the eagle - close up.

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Two things that jump out, the hooked nose appearance of the eagle’s beak as well as the lower swaz bleeding into the lower border. Not things I would be comfortable with.

John’s dagger shows a Voos style etch which is obviously different. While Wotan mentions that there may be a few originals of this style etch, the one most would be more comfortable with would be the Voos pattern.


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Hello, Jon Z´s KREBS is a wonderful specimen and answers for me all questions concerning the etching in question. Thank you for showing!
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