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Collectors
Do you think its time for some Luftwaffe show time!
As we share on german daggers the amazing items we all collect or had, the Luftwaffe
pieces really stand out!
Now we have much to show and discuss!
Why not have fun and share items,engraved,colors,silver,alum,swords,daggers, display peices you add for flavor of a display!
Hangers,deluxe.plain jane,knots, hangers, bagged and tagged for the select few that have them!
Marked,items and anything you care to share!
Whats the best reference book on luft? Was it Tom W or T. Johnsons or who?
Where do you find your info!
Who has Knights Cross winner, items? Generals swords,minatures, you get the idea!
Favorite makers! Time periods,
I know I have never had problem selling a nice Luft item! Discuss prices! Most Lufts are still in collectors range!
What dealers sell the nice ones?
You get the fun of show and tell and the learning!
Thanks for looking and showing collectors! Any Generals?
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I like Luft! How about you!
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And if you need help on resize!!!!!!!!!! send to pvon67@aol.com
maybe I can help!
I look forward to finding out one of you has a truck full! All Eickhorn or some one!
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I have to add we can show 1 glass one! And dealers who lurk! Yes we see you!  Please!!! If you have something on your site! You think covers this topic! Show us!!!!!!!!!!! Some one might like it! PVON
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And gravity knives! I like those!
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Here's the Krebs Brothers, a couple of Luft daggers I've had for some time now.
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An artificial damascus by Peter Dan Krebs.
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An etched Voos pattern on a Carl Julius Krebs blade.
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Just killer! Thanks for sharing!
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My Krebs,
2 Peter Dan
5 Carl Julius
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My younger yrs holding luft
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Very nice John
I hope some show Tiger,SMF and gold swas, lots of Eickhorn!
How about the luft black handle dagger! The So called funeral dagger!
So many things to see!
Holler,WKC, Whats the tough makers!
Thanks to all showing their wonderful things!
I love luft swords!
Here is some I had got!
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I love looking at stuff! I don't care if its been shown before!
Little tidbits you can share on luft stuff is what we like!
Color,type,material,engraved,makers! Personalized items!
Learning things we didn't know!
Thanks to all again for taking time!
Maybe stuff used in your display!
Or inside thoughts on things you still want or neede!
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And picture 499 right side of pictures of luft soldiers! Doesn't that fella look like FDR?
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Max Weyersberg, not an easy maker to find.
Here are three WMW marks.
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excellent daggers Paul i will take some pics and send to you cheers, Ryan
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Super nice, you are killing me with the Krebs, that etched is amazing.
Thank you
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John Z is a very gifted collector with wonderful stuff!
Always trying to get him to share his treasures!
Never saw a Max Weyersburg before!
Mater of fact I hope he keeps it up!
Looking forward to seeing many things from collectors!
Ryan
Thanks!
Just trying to get GD rolling and sharing daggers!
I love looking at what others have to show!
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How about Gottfried Weyersberg &Sohne?
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Very nice John
How many Weyersburgs made daggers!
I just spotted for sale on WAF by Tom Kendall
a army by G Weyersburg!
G Weyersberg army - Beautiful patina - Nice blade with stamped maker mark - Fitted with a Horster Type-1 crossguard - I have only seen a couple over the years and they were fitted with the Horster guard like this one - Superb rare dagger - $1475 - priority mail in US $25 - PM or email - tkendall5107@gmail.com - ww2-collector.com
Very hard to find stuff!
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is this the Maker?
Wonderful dagger you show!
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Only sharing Tom Kendalls pics as its for sale!
Same maker/ but army?
You sure are showing makers I have not seen!
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Hast & Uhthoff
2 versions including one with a rat tail squirrel.
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Now that red grip is a beauty, wow, that is sweet.
That is what I want on a Carl J.
Someday,
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That red grip is a looker!
Both daggers are nice an not seen!
I have not seen makers before that I recall!
Thanks for showing daggers!
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Essentially & Co
2 Hack Werk Steyer
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John
Your like a detective in the finding of these treasures!
Makers many of us have never seen or found!
Being one who has found and is finding so many makers!
Do you see or observe anything different in makers material or quirks into these items!
Or do they all follow a pattern in the type!
Like possible gilding? handle material? engraving?
Unlocking the mystery of third reich edgeweapon making!
How many makers do you think made the lufts?
Did these makers make 1st lufts!
Have new makers been found that were unknown since TW's book?
Thanks
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Some rare maker marks
Klitterman &Moog
Wilhelm Wagner
Gebruder Krusius
Some common makers also have rare versions of their mark.
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I only have 1 luft type 2 dagger left but its one of the hardest to find.
Its the earliest production E.Pack made, guard and pommel with lots of handwork on it are made of aluminium but the scabbard has silvered messing scabbardbands!
It bears the first style E.Pack logo 1935-36, its beautifully etched on a mint blade.
Enjoy this gem, i love it
Cheers
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and another 2 pics, showing the messing silvered bands
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Now that is one beautiful 2nd Luft dagger. With a super set of hangers, and a awesome belt loop.
The grip color is wonderful, I'm sure better once in hand.
Nothing to upgrade there.
Thanks for showing
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Ger, that is one sweet Pack.
Not anywhere in as good condition or with as rare fittings, I have 4 Packs.
Early small mark, frayed belt
Early small mark, solid belt
Large Siegfried with arch
Large Siegfried without arch.
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Very nice dagger and hanger!
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Always liked E Pack itema!
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Ryan Sellicks engraved luft
Waiting for better pics!
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Bringing back our discussion and showing of our luft things!
As always thanks to all for making this thread fun! With out you collectors sharing
or about to share info and pics!
A big shout out to you all!
Now as many collectors might want to know!
Voo's etched blades on Lufts is well known and highly prized by collectors!
They could be marked or unmarked!
What makes them so prized!
I happened to see on Lakesidetrader a 1st Luft double etched by Carl Julius Krebs! A killer piece I might add!
So for the many real in depth collectors of these things how about your thoughts on engraved lufts!
Anyone have pics!
Ryan Sellick has that luft engraved I just posted here but I asked him to show better pics!
One more thing I hope we can discuss down the road!
Hand enhanced,head,feathers,wings,top side Oak leaves and Acorns!
Maybe which makers did this with lufts!
They also claim gilted examples are drying up!
What say collectors!
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I have seen 5 maker marked Voos style etched 2nd Lufts:
CJ Krebs
Holster
Klaas
Voos
WKC
And, the Voos etched Krebs 1st Luft is the only on Lakesidetrader is the only such 1st Luft I have seen.
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And, there are two versions of the etch on blades without maker mark.
The difference is in the etch tip, sorta like a spear head. One is plain, no added dots.
The other version has added dots
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I just jumped out of my chair!!!
Just beautiful stuff! The etch on them is works of art!
And 1 beauty you show is just close up and looking
at me!
The detail of pic has captured my attention!
Thank you for showing the real deal!
Enjoying the show!
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John,
I’ve got a Voos Army and an etched CJ Krebs but I do love that Klaas. Something to shoot for I guess.
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You are all welcome.
Billy, this Klaas is the only one I have seen over the years .
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I've heard of etched Klaas examples and their well plated blades. Seen one or two others but don't remember where. Always looking though.
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There exist Voos pattern armys with no trademark. I saw some at the MAX in 2003.
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Thanks to the posters and looker!
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There exist Voos pattern armys with no trademark. I saw some at the MAX in 2003. The unmarked Voos patterns are out there but are definitely less desirable. They typically have an orange trolon grip, as opposed to ivory, as well. These unmarked examples routinely run half the cost of a marked example but are still nice enough, especially for someone on a budget. I got a marked Army a few years ago and have been very happy with it. The unmarked are for sure harder to sell.
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Ger, that is one sweet Pack.
Not anywhere in as good condition or with as rare fittings, I have 4 Packs.
Early small mark, frayed belt
Early small mark, solid belt
Large Siegfried with arch
Large Siegfried without arch. Great to see all those Pack logo's John, some are very rare! Although the first style shows differences in style i more or less thought those are etch plate changes, rather then different logo's. Thx for showing  and those Voos ones are beautiful, i wasnt aware of the different patterns that Voos used, thx for pointing that out. Ger
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Gotta love those Packs!
Billy
The unmarked Voos patterns are out there but are definitely less desirable. They typically have an orange trolon grip, as opposed to ivory, as well. These unmarked examples routinely run half the cost of a marked example but are still nice enough, especially for someone on a budget.
I got a marked Army a few years ago and have been very happy with it. The unmarked are for sure harder to sell.
I understand the the unmarked Voos being harder to sell!
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Unmarked Voos etched blades were sold through distributors and uniform shops!
Did other makers use the Voos style?
John and Billy
Can the trained eye of collectors of Voos spot a Voos thats not marked?
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I have a few pics of a Ivory army dagger with a Voos blade marked!
The friend that had it died!
I know they made repro blades yrs ago!
Not sure if blade was real! But ivory was super looker!
Will have to post!
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John and Billy
Can the trained eye of collectors of Voos spot a Voos thats not marked?
Thanks
PVON Yes, it comes down to the positioning of the etch template on the blade. A Voos marked etch appears on the blade further away from the crossguard (or nearer toward the tip, if you will), presumably to permit room for the Voos logo on the reverse. This makes sense actually. There was also something I read about some years back on an unmarked Voos regarding some additional "droplets" on the etch border closest to the tip. The marked Voos patterns apparently don't have these.
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Thanks Billy
Always trying to learn something!
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That is a beauty! And a Tiger!
Condition is outstanding looking!
What do you think think number 27? stands for?
Gee Tanker
I see more drawers!!!!
Thanks for sharing
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I always liked the look of Luft edgeweapons!
1st or second and early DLV NSFK
The leather on them or cross guards!
Something about them!
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They are easy on the eyes!
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Here is the only glass luft I have seen!
A Pack!!!!!!!!
Mike B collected luft daggers! He was a nice guy and I do not know what happened to him or dagger!
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That is a beauty! And a Tiger!
Condition is outstanding looking!
What do you think think number 27? stands for?
Gee Tanker
I see more drawers!!!!
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Thanks pvon. The number 274 is etched on the blade and scabbard throat. I assume they are a control/inventory number (?).
The other drawers house my Heer daggers.
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Thanks Tanker
Like seeing these items!
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I see that Tanker!
Now what do you like about Luft edgeweapons?
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I am not sure. My favorites are the Heers but for the lufts, it may be the simple design that is appealing. I do like the 1st luft and sword too.
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I hear you!
My favorites are the ones in front of me!
How about some hangers folks!
I spotted these deluxe luft hangers for sale! 145.00 shipped!
Very nice set! Don't you think?
Price seems fair! Not much you can buy!
They sold very fast!
Lets see some!
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If I am not mistaken was their gold also? Generals? Or just gold wash!
How about some knots!
I bet some of you hoarders got them!
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And as always a shout out and thanks to all!
Your pictures are really nice guys!
Engraved blades,makers, and just the detail of items is quite good!
Makes the items come alive! I know its easy to miss details when looking!
Then as you go back and look!
I say hey I missed that and look at that! Sometimes collectors miss something right in front of them!
We get in a hurry to look but don't always catch everything!
I just started going back and sure enough! Looking closer and with more detail,these items reveal more!
Imagine at a show what we all miss!
On the forum we can study a object!
Thanks guys
PVON
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Here is a 2nd luft with just a spot of gold left!
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PVON looking at the first pics of your latest post i have a question: did that Alcoso come with an army scabbard? or did you mixed pics with an army dagger with a late generic scabbard Ger
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Gerrit
I had many daggers in front of me trying to take fast pics!
Sure could have goofed it up!
Trying to be fast is not always good!
When you go to buy!
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Its easy to mix up when your on floor of bathroom to catch lite!
But I like the trouble when I see something to check out!
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Amazing stuff guys!
pvon, I am taking special notice of that early first model Luftwaffe dagger from Alcoso.. you don’t see many with that big maker Mark I also have one and think it is their initial production..?
John Z and Ger.. Amazing Pack Daggers!
Adding a few of my own….
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It's ALL in the DETAILS!!.......
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More..
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It's ALL in the DETAILS!!.......
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Last.. sorry my photo managing app is shrinking these too much leaving the pics a little grainy..
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It's ALL in the DETAILS!!.......
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Nice Daggers. Gilded pommels and orange grips, doesn't get any better.
Ed
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Thats a beautiful orange grip!
Very nice
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Regards
Mike
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Regards
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Thanks, very interest Luft collection.
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Hi Billy,
very nice blade.
Is there anything stamped in the tang?
I've seen a couple of artificial damascus blades that have stamps in the thang with "ECHTDAMAST" or "P + D" which I don't understand as it is not real damascus.
cheers!
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mamma miaaaa ..... john z is much more than a cave of wonders :-)
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Joel, nice Durbeck.
I have a different Durbeck mark on an Eickhorn blade.
John
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