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I always liked swords!
I show myself holding a luft many yrs ago!
So I will start with the Luft sword!
They are sharp! Come in nickle silver and alum.
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Friend Ed Sunday had 20 at least that were stone mint!
Not sure what he did with them!
Next
I believe the sharpest army sword! Diplomat is outstandy also!
I think I saw Woton has the finest one I ever seen! Still wrapped from factory!
Hope he shows!
More later!
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Lets show some swords and thoughts!
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The Prince Eugen is always a show stopper!
But swords can be very attractive!
Here is a navy! Love the eyes!
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Now another killer looker is the Diplomat sword!
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Absolutely beautiful swords Paul.
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Hello,
A diplomatic degen is the graal for german WWII sword collector !!!! Do you have extrashots of that one ?
THanks for sharing with us PVON !
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I think I posted these before but since this is a sword thread here they are again.
First is a Horster marked to a Signals unit
Second is a Weyersberg
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Thanks for looking! I will!
Here is just a few when I saw the sword!
I have much better pics I will get to!
Tanker
Never get tired of your cased Luft display!
I have plenty of army swords,luft,police to show!
How about others!
Who is holding the SS swords!
One of the top collectors, John Pepera livrd 15 minutes from me!
I knew him before he had his 1st dagger!
He had 10 or more mint SS on the wall with knots seperate!
I have to see if I still have pics!
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The thing about swords is
knot,bags,tags,engraved,damascus, and many things!
Makes your head spin!
Era!
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I don’t know how I’ve managed to stay away from swords. Started with daggers and branched out to dress bayonets but if I go down the sword rabbit hole, it won’t be good!
Great Diplo sword, that’s something you don’t see everyday.
GDC Gold Badge #290
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Found my pics of the markings on my Horster sword and hanger
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Thanks Tanker
Is that marked for for a school?
Here is me long ago with the diplomat sword!
Few Police
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I hope Mr Fabulous aka Gerorge from GD
see's this post!
He had a wonderful sword collection!
Here is a few I had!
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It is marked for a Nachrichten School . The shoulder boards also have the NS Cyphers
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Nice Tanker
Get them together?
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The hanger or the swords?
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The boards and sword or were they added!
Hanger?
Either way just a nice group!
Do you check the blade and treat it?
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Sword was purchased with the hanger. I was not added. The shoulder boards were purchased separately and I have been looking for a matched pair of signals collar tabs!
Not sure what you mean by " checking the blade though. It does have the luftampt. Since it is a plated blade the only thing I do is occassionaly wipe with SS2.
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Thanks Tanker
Here is a couple swords!
Always liked Luft
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I have always appreciated swords.
Advertising related items are of an interest too. This one being poster board type material.
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Hello,
In order to participate to the thread, here is my SS officer degen ... Complete with the felt bag. Was found in a flat in Paris back in August 1944 when the city was liberated. I suppose the officer didn't have much time to gather his stuff before taking off.
That is an early nickel silver version with no markings. This piece can be dated around 1937-38 i suppose . Possibly a graduated former student of a SS-junkerschule ... In good condition !! Nickel silver is by far my fav material .... lovely greenish reflections in the metal color ... can't mistake it when you see it !
Hope you like it
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Thank you Der Jager
Thats a nice sign!
Kurt
Most beautiful sword and goodies!
Stunning nice!
I never got one !
I sure am thankful you posted it!
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Kurt
your pics are just wonderful!
Brings out the details!
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Thanks for sharing George!
We will have fun seeing your stuff!
Yes that Puma Head is crazzy looking!
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PD Lunschuss
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Real great swords shown, here!
Thanks to all for posting.
Special thanks to PVON for starting another great topic!
Best regards,
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Thanks Herman
Will be showing more of Georges stuff!
Hope some more get shown!
Question
With so many organizations having swords
Luft,Army,Police,SS Prison,Diplomat,Navy and the list is longer I bet!
Why no SA swords! Rad and who else?
And why were some army that say George is showing so beautiful!
The design of many are just stunning!
I had the sword book many yrs ago! Maybe answers are in book!
And for you real die hards! Is there any meaning in Lion heads,panther,etc!
Etched ones,who made the nicest?
Just food for thought on discussion!
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I guess I need to start posting some of my gems...
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Here is an odd one but a lovely cat.
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Hello Ritterkrreuz
I sure am happy to see your swords!
And the Puma head is killer!
I see you like swords!
What made you collect them!
That ww1 engraved one has the same name I have on one someplace!
Beautiful pics also!
Your cats come alive!
What kind of makers?
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Now we are rolling!
Collectors showing and having fun!
Some of Mr Fabulous aka George swords!
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Here are a few German Imperial Artillery swords.
Dating from a time when damast steel and/or triple etched blades were not extremely rare and gilding was qualitative and durable!
Best regards,
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THanks gentlemen for that fantastic thread to keep this sword department alive !
Mark's cat is a gem, one of a kind !!!!
Mr FABULOUS 's herder saber with that strange looking cat/bat head is the most singular heer sword i ever got the chance to put eyes on .... Hardly ever documented in books, probably one of the rarest if not the rarestof Heer saber models ....
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I am enjoying this thread big time!
Herman
Your killing me!!!!!!!
Love the ww1 swords! Engraved and everything!Jee what nice swords!
So gilding was better you say! Damascus! Thats always been out of my league!
Seeing so many beauties and types might make a fella want to collect swords!
I hope others might consider the richness of them!
I always thought becaues of shipping and space many do not collect swords!
Under priced I believe!
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More of Mr Fabulous swords
George always had a way finding unusual paterns and fine looking swords!
PVON
Cav sword
His few he got from Bill Shea he had been looking for
And Wingen swords
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These are details on swords when you can see up close!
Makes you want to find something
Any edge weapon can come alive when shown!
And moths don't eat edge weapons!!!!
I think taking the pics is fun!
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THanks for the pics !
I particulary love the following picture you posted :
That N°421 WMW waffen model is incredible too !!!! Could be like a Forestry sword model !!!! The few i encountered were aluminium only ... Is there a known brass version of it ? the 3rd on the left is another great WMW model .... brass version is available , not too easy to find but nothing compared to that N°421 model !!!
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Thank
George sure has the good taste to go after the nice stuff
George or Mr Fabulous has owned the swords and knows swords!
He has had so many I could not dream of finding!
Many of you that show or add to this thread are at the top of your game in quality and taste!
Hopfully I can keep learning!
I do not know the models and such but I like them!
Showing some for george!
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Very beautiful swords, you just posted, PVON!
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Some more from George!
Herman
He thanks you
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Both were aluminum. Leopard head was gilted? over a copper flash. the dove head was an anodized finish.
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IMO, Herder made the most stylish hilt patterns.
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Mr Fabulous Holler
Wow is that a beauty
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more! Love it George Silver Voos
Gotta love the eyes!!!!
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I will get back showing later!
I have never seen some details before on some swords!
Being sword dumb on some types Mr Fabulous or others!
Who would buy them for wear? And why all the types made by makers,
is any reason for such details? Engraved blades,Damascus,etc
Any meaning on why they would choose design?
Lots of questions an learning never stops! Does it!
Best sword refrence book? Was it Angolias book or others since!
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And the silver swords! I remember way back dealers tried to link silver and SS together!
Whats the real story sword guru's!
And I remember Bob Wait buying up all the birthday swords!
Since his passing have any showed up or quickly sucked up by deep pockets!
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The Japanese also made some real nice, European style swords,in my opinion, here are a few:
Best regards,
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Wow!! You have a large military show right there at your place.
I have not seen one thing you have posted that was not just beautiful.
Thank for all
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I'll second that! Amazing!
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Thank you, Ed and Mikee, for your kind words!
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some beautiful swords guys,i love it.
Glad to see you posting again George
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That Holler is a killer sword, wow
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here are mine in new cabinet i just bought. All are made by EPack Very contagious
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Hello All
@Stingray > That cabient is almost as incredible as the swords !!!!! Fantastic !!!! looks like it waited its whole life for swords !!!!
Do you know what was its original purpose ???? Was it some kind of shop furniture for displaying items ? Umbrella shop or something ????
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Thanks Kurt
Those were store cabinets for cane , umbrella used from 1890s to 1920s
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Welcome to the party Stingray!
This thread keeps getting better!
Glad to see so many collected by folks!
Stingray
All EPack? In the case?
A really fine showing ! Thanks
Maybe some shots up close of some to view detail! Giving us a lookie!!!!!
Take your time but please share!
Tell us some details we would not know!
Engraved blades,or types? initials on any?
Look forward to the continued showing by all!
Thanks all!
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Stingray
I collected antiques and I spot some really nice cases! The leaded book case is nice!
I used to refinish many of the treasures of the past!
You have a good eye in those cases!
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Hi Paul
I will try to snap some pictures,but some of my swords i listed here before, and they disappeared when big update happened
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Thanks Stingray
Yes some files got lost!
George lost his pics so I am trying to look at past posts of his to capture some of his swords!
Try looking at your past posts and right click any that might be hanging around!
I look forward to seeing more!
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Ok
Here is one of my favorite Pack lion head design, with different guards
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Fantastic collection Stingray !!!
Is the 2nd from the left a Customs Epack ? Does it have green eyes ?
AS for me here is the only Epack i owned
Regards
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Very nice 👍👍
Yes,that customs has a green eyes together with SS
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A few nice ones from Ed Sunday!
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Outstanding lot as always  Thanks PVON ! What would be the explanation of that N° 3 stamped on the blade ??? Do collectors here have other examples ? And what about distributor marks !!!! Show yours !!!! ere is one on my lightweight LUTZOW > K. NEGELE from TUBINGEN Regards K. 7.jpg (76.32 KB, 126 downloads) 15.jpg (81.19 KB, 126 downloads) 16.jpg (74.63 KB, 126 downloads)
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Nice Kurt
Green eyes? SS marking?
Ed always had minty stuff!
So whats the story sword guys on silver swords?
Thanks as alsways!
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Since your sword guy is missing! No loss! WAF can keep!
You have some good guys on swords! Many as a fact!
You should get 2 or more to help you in that section!
I wouldn't miss out if you could!
Just a thought!
We all could learn!
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Hi PVON ,
Couldn't tell for sure as litterature sometimes say the opposite ... The typical example is WKC lionhead N°1016 ... It is listed as a regular Heer model but also as a Customs saber model.
Some say Customs sabers had to be silvered and with green eyes ... some say it only depended on the model so in the end, a WKC 1016 with golden gilt & red eyes could be either heer or Customs ... Only the portepee made the difference ....
So in the end of the day we can not be sure ... Still a green eyed lion is a good looking piece and when i see one, i guess it could be either SS or Customs ...
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Sword guys!
While I have you posting!
Would the buyer pick out his sword? Emblem.add ons! Name engraved or service?
Are all the makers of swords going after buyers like car companies! Just trying to figure out how they picked out certain things for swords!
Is it cost?
I can't be the only one to ask or think after seeing so many types and options!
Dove ,lion head ,puma head,you get the point! Why the choices!
Sure seems as the army swords really run the gamit of options!
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Salesmen would travel to regiments with a catalog proposing makers models ... either with a plain blade or etched with a few patterns to choose from ... these patterns were the basic models with no customization at extra costs obvioulsy .. Then you could also order a special customized etching for a company or a special event ( birthday, presentation, etc ) at even more expensive ... I read that you could also choose the color of the lionhead's eyes with a few companies so that can add extra confusion about that Customs / Heer matter
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some beautiful and rare swords, especially that LUTZOW
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here are some detailed pictures
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The detail Stingray!
Yes Herman,Wotan ,Barry Brown,Damask, and others from long ago threads
have left a mark in this section!
Collector envy! You bet!
NowGeorge,Stingray,Kurt and others are making info on swords exciting!
I have not owned a Luft General! Close no cigar! SS swords, Birthday swords! Not many have!
Prison justice swords! I feel like a newbie that so many types never came my way!
Woton has bagged and tagged,with the shipping paper! Must have been at the shop at time of sale!
Knowlege is unreal! Hope they all add to this sword thing!!!!!!!!!
As always thanks to all that share and others who like to look and admire!
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Stunning display sir!
And here is Barry Browns stunning sword! Prison Justice?
Has Barry passed?
He had fabulous stuff!
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Barry had shown this bagged beauty!
To own only this would be a treasure!
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Just to add!
Tom Wittman,Tom johnson and others must own or did own swords that would make most of us mortals
think we found King Tuts tomb!
I bought many swords from Galien David but I wonder who is the king of swords now?
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PVON,
I believe Barry is still with us...
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I Sure hope so! Sometimes rumors go around!
I hope that is true!
He also had fine stff!
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Here are some "forgotten" swords... Mostly worn at the courts of European kings ans emperors during the 19th & early 20th century.
Best regards,
Herman
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You never have enough HJ-knifes!
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Check out the work on these scabbard fittings.
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I agree Herman!
Just wonderful pieces! Like works of art!
Stuff I have never seen!
Condition is unreal! Gilding or plating like new!
Many look to have engraved blades!
Can many be tracked to origin? Country!
I love your ww1 german also!
Now as we look at your many areas of collecting! SA,HJ,swords edgeweapons!
It must be hard to pick the area you enjoy most!
You have a taste for fine items and have really put together a wonderful amount of stuff,many of us can only dream of!
As always thanks for sharing! We all love finding out details to the items and stories or tidbits about them!
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We must again thank collectors who are showing wonderful parts of their collections and giving us a inside look at
what many have been able to find!
A life time passion many have perfected in search for items they like!
Please keep it up with close up pics that may unlock our passion of history!
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Ritterkreuz, PVON,
Thank you for your compliments!
Most of these court swords bear the national emblems of the countries they represent.
Some even tell you for which king or emperor the holder of the sword was working.
Here are 2 examples:
- Completely on the right: the shell of the guard shows the double headed eagle with the shield of Franz-Josef I, the Austrian-Hungarian emperor (1848 until 1916)
- In the middle: the grip plate has inserted the royal monogram of Ludwig I, the king of Bavaria (1825 until 1848)
I believe that the later "diplomat swords" were based on these earlier court swords.
Best regards,
Herman
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beautiful exemples Herman, Those are really unappreciated
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Stingray!
When Herman shows stuff, chances are you almost always jump out of your chair!
He has that effect when sharing his stuff!
But Stingray
I don't mind when you and others make me me go wow!!!!!!
Keep showing folks!
And thanks to all!
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Thanks Stingray and PVON!
Stingray, your Pack collection is very unique and so impressive!
Your storing vitrine is the best way for keeping swords, that I have ever been showed, hope to find one some day...
Best regards,
Herman
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guys,,,I'm not a blade guy but these are a real treat to see! This is respect for history, culture, etc,,,,and you guys are doing it well. I can imagine the dedication to conserve and the upkeep to have such fine examples. It's hard work,,,but its part of the fun of collecting!
I agree these are some stunning examples to see.. Thanks for posting..
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How many collectors have the whole Field Marshall series?
That would be a joy to see
Kind regards
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I have had a few but I know some have them and condition is very nice!
Hope some one shows some!
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Here is a nice etched blade presentation Gemeindepolizei Officer sword. The sword came complete with a WH Officer's Portepee which I left in place. He may have worn this knot as a Traditions Portepee or may have been transferred to the Feldgendarmerie.
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Thanks PVON.
Here is another sword with an interesting knot. This is a Bavarian Infantry Officer sword with an etched blade and a Mourning Portepee. These black Portepee were worn in mourning for a deceased soldier or family. These were private purchase knots made in the form of the standard sword knot but rendered in black and they were worn in the same manner as the black armband was worn. This one is made in the form of the standard silver and blue Bavarian Infantry Officer knot made without the wire hanger between the strap and the stem.
Made by Carl Kaiser & Companie in Solingen. Enjoy.
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Thats a beauty Orpo!
I never heard of a mourning knot!
Learning something everyday!
Thanks for showing
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Interesting maker, Carl Kaiser & Company, Solingen, in business from around 1880 until the late 1890s. He initially produced swords but later switched over to bicycles and parts.
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I learned something here, or heer  I had never heard of a mourning knot Thanks, ORPO Dave
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Thanks guys.
Carl Kaiser & Ce. seemed to have been in and out of the edged weapon business. I think the published dates of his operation should be taken with a grain of salt. A good quality maker none the less.
Mourning knots are seldom seen. Here are a couple of them alongside a standard Bavarian knot in blue and silver. The Infantry one shown on the sword is black with silver woven into the knot. The other Bavarian Mourning Portepee shown is for Mounted officers having a wire hanger between the strap and stem. It too is black made in the Bavarian shape with highlights.
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Gents,
I picked up a very nice Austrian Model 1869 Cavalry Saber at a local military show over the weekend. This is a private purchase example of the issue sword for Enlisted Men and NCOs. It was made by Weyersberg & Stamm in Solingen and so marked on the reverse ricasso of the blade. The obverse ricasso is marked, "Eisenhauer" or Iron Cutter indicating the high quality steel. These swords are interesting in that the sword is massive with a wide nickeled blade. The blade has a pronounced ricasso and a wide fuller on the obverse side with a flat slab side on the reverse. The nickeled steel basket guard has a rolled reinforcement along the edges with seven round drain holes and two slots for the attachment of a sword knot. The plated steel backstrap is plain with two "ears" near the basket guard. The grip is sharkskin made without wire for Enlisted Men. The nickeled steel scabbard has a suspension bar on the back near the throat and a fixed ring below the bar.
I was happy to find this sword at the show.
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Nice find!
Does seem like a wide blade!
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Looking at all these beauties!
A member is asking about tags! The paper ones on them! Anyone have some to show!
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